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12-18-2022, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AAL24
There are about 1,000 WB CA jobs at AA. That number will obviously go up or down depending on what they do with the 777 fleet. Does anyone have the total number at Delta? If you want to live on the east coast or commute the LGA 777 CA plug is around 3200 seniority. If you want to be in DFW or LAX that number is more like sub 2000 seniority. All of those numbers will change in +-25 years when you have the seniority to hold group 4 CA. If WB CA is your goal you might want to consider UAL. Their baseline will be at least 200 WB aircraft (50 787s on property, 45 A350s ordered, 100 firm orders for 787s + 100 options). Not to mention their 777-300ERs.
12-18-2022, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Milksheikh
So in summary, it will take a bit longer to get to the widebody at AA but once there, upgrade will be quicker and you’ll finish with much better relative seniority than you would at delta. That about right?
12-18-2022, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I think if you aren’t already on the mainline seniority list at any of the legacies you likely missed the widebody CA boat if you’re over 40. Under 40 maybe you’ll have 5-7 years on it. Under 30 maybe 10+.
12-18-2022, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I think if you aren’t already on the mainline seniority list at any of the legacies you likely missed the widebody CA boat if you’re over 40. Under 40 maybe you’ll have 5-7 years on it. Under 30 maybe 10+.
A pilot hired now at AA will have more time as a widebody capt and be in a much better spot at retirement and the years before too. I’d probably make the plug widebody capt if hired at delta today and be there for the entirety of it.
12-18-2022, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Milksheikh
yeh there’s a significant difference between someone hired today at delta vs AA as far as the widebody capt outlook is concerned. The main factor being that AA has hired far less pilots since 2014ish than delta and also has more retirements coming up.
A pilot hired now at AA will have more time as a widebody capt and be in a much better spot at retirement and the years before too. I’d probably make the plug widebody capt if hired at delta today and be there for the entirety of it.
A pilot hired now at AA will have more time as a widebody capt and be in a much better spot at retirement and the years before too. I’d probably make the plug widebody capt if hired at delta today and be there for the entirety of it.
12-18-2022, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
All of the airlines have hired 2,000+ pilots this year alone. The wave has crested for WB CA. Plus you assume Delta won’t grow their widebody fleet. The leadership at DA has stated that’s the only real area for meaningful growth in the future. In contrast, I suspect American will likely end up code-sharing away as much international as possible while retiring 777s and replacing them with the 787s on order.
12-18-2022, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
All of the airlines have hired 2,000+ pilots this year alone. The wave has crested for WB CA. Plus you assume Delta won’t grow their widebody fleet. The leadership at DA has stated that’s the only real area for meaningful growth in the future. In contrast, I suspect American will likely end up code-sharing away as much international as possible while retiring 777s and replacing them with the 787s on order.
12-18-2022, 07:02 PM
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AA don't really do widebody. They're scared of it, and don't know how to manage that complexity. Management's direction has always been to be a glorified regional/national, as that culture comes from America West. AA will quickly give up international flying and code share "outsource" such flying away. If you want widebody, go to United.
12-19-2022, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Milksheikh
at delta, it’s definitely crested. AA and UA not nearly as much. Future orders can change things up but as of now, with AA having biggest retirement bubble looming, you’ll be a WB capt longer there.
That’s also not factoring in the nuances of contracts etc. A senior widebody FO could easily make the same amount of money as a junior widebody captain and have better trips/QOL while doing it. So why upgrade?
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