Al Czervik

My point exactly.

Scrapdaddy

Because having a certain amount of time dignifies someone to claim equivalent standardization. How many other fleets do you have 5,000 hours on? You’re only as standard as your weakest link. I suggest you dig into your manuals and spread your knowledge.

Kebert Xela

As the Airbus v Boeing bickering continues...... may you taxi as fast as management has worked towards a better contract.


Big picture gentlemen.

That would be my argument.

Signed,

Who cares

450knotOffice

That comment doesn’t even make sense.

YOU started this moronic thread. Why are you so concerned about AA pilots not taking an intersection, anyway?

dera

This is the part I don't understand. At Envoy we get the closeout and TPS before we close the door. What's the logic at AA with this?

aa73

Al Czervik, if you’re going to come on here claiming that “there are no SOPs on the 737 fleet”, then by golly you better have some data to back it up. As it stands, you do not. You are simply trying to make a point that you don’t agree with how the 737 is flown by AA, fair enough, but you come off quite pompous with statements like “there are no SOPs on the 737 fleet.”

Maybe try rewording your statements a bit more humbly, given that you are not a 737 pilot, and you’d gain a lot more credibility. The fact of the matter is... the 737 perfectly abides by crystal clear SOPs as defined in the OM1 as well as the triggers and flows card. Hey, just like the Airbus fleet! (And every other AA fleet.)

And yes, experience in the aircraft DEFINITELY qualifies the individual to quantify his/her statements. I don’t come on here preaching about how Airbus pilots need to be more alert when operating in Managed mode vs Open Descent lest you miss a crossing restriction, and maybe that’s a total lack of SOPs... because.... hey, I’m not on the Airbus fleet.

If some of you are butthurt by my calling it like I see it, I can’t help ya.

griff312

When I first got here from Envoy, I wondered the same thing. From what I can figure; Regionals don't leave the gate without a closeout, because passengers seated in the appropriate zones is more of a W&B issue on the RJ's than it is on the larger jets. As soon as boarding is complete, we close the door and call for push. Usually the closeout comes during the pushback. But sometimes, it comes much later, if the load room is behind on running numbers (cargo, ect...).

Al Czervik

Dude, I’m on the 737 here. I never stated “there are no SOP’s” on the 737. That’s a list of the non SOP items I see on the 737 All. The. Time.

450knotOffice

You work with the same system. No real difference. The issues arise when they send you to a runway or runway intersection that your current TPS does not have, and/or some issue (maybe an unanticipated tailwind) came up after you started taxiing. These are the things that can delay you out there.

Scrapdaddy

Not everything is as black and white as you think it’s is. The sooner you realize this the better off you’ll be, believe me. And the reason I’m concerned is because it effects the industry as a whole. Step out of your bubble and see beyond your line of sight for once.