Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Dude, I’m on the 737 here. I never stated “there are no SOP’s” on the 737. That’s a list of the non SOP items I see on the 737 All. The. Time.

Originally Posted by Varks

I can usually tell if an Airbus pilot was trained in DFW or CLT. Generally speaking a DFW trained pilot is not as disciplined with SOP as a CLT trained pilot. The same goes for recurrent training. In CLT they don’t miss a thing. Most times I am corrected I did not read the SOP close enough and or it changed slightly. I like the CLT way. Very consistent.

On the big revision on the Airbus when the re-flowing of the procedures came out there was a huge change. It used to say triggers and flows will be memorized and performed verbatim. Now it says should. I think someone in DFW put that in there.

Originally Posted by Covfefe

I’m CLT based and have had the complete opposite experience. Not a knock on CLT training, but more of SOP sloppiness in general in CLT.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

This is for my own curiosity, I won't dispute your opinion.

I think I recognize your screen name as being around for awhile. Do you find that things were more standard prior to the change to triggers and flows than after, or about the same?

Originally Posted by Armyguy

Listen, in the last month I flew with a guy who never called for the checklist (he wanted me to "just run that thing, quit asking") even though it specifically says its the cpt who calls for the bold checklists (bold isnt correct term but I am too lazy to look up the term used).

I have never started the APU after landing, Ever, never.

Before takeoff checklist? half the guys call for it when we are #1 like the book says, the other half are waiting on takeoff clearance/or lineup and wait clearance.

HUD? Ha, thats all over the map too. Briefings prior to before start checklist? that 50/50. review of performance date? say 35%. Callouts all over the map. In a previous life I was pretty anal about stuff like this and even atc calls but I was in charge of standardization so I had to be, here? I am the gear guy. IDK, I could be a jerkoff FO and try and correct every little thing but at the end of the day it is about getting the job done with a cooperative cockpit environment. If a CPT wants to do stuff his way I am surely not going to ruin a 4 day because of it.

Al is right though, no standardized at all, maybe on paper but where the rubber meets the road? nope

Originally Posted by aa73

Guys and gals, in the end Al Czervik does have a point in that apparently stuff is being done differently by crews. Which would indeed represent a lack of consistent SOPs. What I thought he was saying in the beginning, was that those items weren’t adequately described in the manuals and checklists, and that’s what the lack of SOPs he was talking about. My bad.

Al, thank you for keeping it professional while I went overboard.

Let’s hope these issues get addressed in the near future... standardization is safety.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

I don’t think you went overboard at all. We all have different perspectives based on what we see. Sorry for not eluding to the fact that I was on the plane sooner.

Originally Posted by Pilot X

With all the smack Al talks about Boeing, there is no way I would have imagined he or she actually bid to fly one. Haha