Furlough Estimates
07-31-2020 | 12:47 PM
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It’s hilarious to me that anyone thinks this kind of reindeer game is going to be played by the company on a large scale in this day and age.
07-31-2020 | 02:13 PM
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Yeah, exactly. And making this crises a political issue is what got us to this point in the first place. Had Trump and a certain news channel not spent months calling it a liberal hoax and actually took aggressive measures, we would be in a very different place right now. Look at just about any other country as an example. South Korea and Vietnam in particular, but also most of Europe.
As for Nostradamus Gary Kelly..who knows what his motivations are for saying what he says. But he doesn't know any more than the rest of us what will happen next week let alone 10 years from now. Most actual professionals in the area and anyone else with common sense agree that a vaccine will go miles towards making people feel comfortable with public places again. Including air travel.
I can't even begin to imagine what angle Kelly is playing, but be sure there is an angle.
As for Nostradamus Gary Kelly..who knows what his motivations are for saying what he says. But he doesn't know any more than the rest of us what will happen next week let alone 10 years from now. Most actual professionals in the area and anyone else with common sense agree that a vaccine will go miles towards making people feel comfortable with public places again. Including air travel.
I can't even begin to imagine what angle Kelly is playing, but be sure there is an angle.
Of course it spreads easier through a more developed country like USA. Why don't you go check out, Western Sahara and Mongolia and see what they know.
Trump has done as good a job as anyone. In March CNN said US would have over 2 million fatalities if it spread here like in Italy. Where are the other 1.9 million deaths?
No one will get on TV and saw 1-200k deaths is good news, but CNN specifically said 2 Million, so by my count Trump saved 1.8-1.9M people so far.
Last edited by Happyflyer; 07-31-2020 at 02:35 PM.
08-01-2020 | 12:04 AM
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Hilarious. Did you just compare the US to France and called the US “more developed”?? You have got to be kidding me. Literally every country in Western Europe is at least 10x more developed than the US in terms of technology, education, transportation and welfare/social programs. And that 2 million figure you talk about was how many would die without govt doing anything about it (a hypothetical).
08-01-2020 | 01:04 AM
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The only people that think that superficial view of Europe vs. the US are doing so through their convenient political lens. Look, I love Europe. Fantastic locations, history, and scenery. There may even be a case that QOL there if you make less than $45K/€/£. But above that threshold, it’s not even close.
Tech:
US - Google, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, Netflix, Amazon, Apple, etc.
Europe - Nokia?
Education:
US - 7 out of top 10 universities in the world. Other three in the UK.
Transportation:
I’m guessing you like the train system? It’s true, many major EURO cities have great subway systems and city infrastructure. But beyond that, the trains were unreliable and not punctual. Plan an extra 45 minutes for everything (German/Italy) experience.
Welfare/Social Programs:
This is where it’s political. If that’s what you like, then it’s probably some kind of Utopia to you. But in Germany, those folks pay between 7-8% of gross for that healthcare. The UK is no different. Denmark is off the charts. Not to mention employer contribution of the same percentage. That’s more than three times what comes out of my paycheck. And the actual care? My wife had a baby here and abroad. The level of care is not the same. She said she felt like she was at a five star resort having the baby here in the US. No sharing rooms with other patients. Own bathroom. Meals that consisted of more than just bread and cheese.
Europe is definitely first world and is really nice. But nowadays, Americans tend to forget why their ancestors came here. Until you actually experience it, I think that European mystique is more hype than substance. It’s just annoying to hear over and over how incredible Europe is by those that just repeat talking points and have never spent any meaningful time there.
08-01-2020 | 04:07 AM
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Hilarious. Did you just compare the US to France and called the US “more developed”?? You have got to be kidding me. Literally every country in Western Europe is at least 10x more developed than the US in terms of technology, education, transportation and welfare/social programs. And that 2 million figure you talk about was how many would die without govt doing anything about it (a hypothetical).
08-01-2020 | 04:18 AM
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10X? Wow. That sounds like a lot.
The only people that think that superficial view of Europe vs. the US are doing so through their convenient political lens. Look, I love Europe. Fantastic locations, history, and scenery. There may even be a case that QOL there if you make less than $45K/€/£. But above that threshold, it’s not even close.
Tech:
US - Google, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, Netflix, Amazon, Apple, etc.
Europe - Nokia?
Education:
US - 7 out of top 10 universities in the world. Other three in the UK.
Transportation:
I’m guessing you like the train system? It’s true, many major EURO cities have great subway systems and city infrastructure. But beyond that, the trains were unreliable and not punctual. Plan an extra 45 minutes for everything (German/Italy) experience.
Welfare/Social Programs:
This is where it’s political. If that’s what you like, then it’s probably some kind of Utopia to you. But in Germany, those folks pay between 7-8% of gross for that healthcare. The UK is no different. Denmark is off the charts. Not to mention employer contribution of the same percentage. That’s more than three times what comes out of my paycheck. And the actual care? My wife had a baby here and abroad. The level of care is not the same. She said she felt like she was at a five star resort having the baby here in the US. No sharing rooms with other patients. Own bathroom. Meals that consisted of more than just bread and cheese.
Europe is definitely first world and is really nice. But nowadays, Americans tend to forget why their ancestors came here. Until you actually experience it, I think that European mystique is more hype than substance. It’s just annoying to hear over and over how incredible Europe is by those that just repeat talking points and have never spent any meaningful time there.
The only people that think that superficial view of Europe vs. the US are doing so through their convenient political lens. Look, I love Europe. Fantastic locations, history, and scenery. There may even be a case that QOL there if you make less than $45K/€/£. But above that threshold, it’s not even close.
Tech:
US - Google, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, Netflix, Amazon, Apple, etc.
Europe - Nokia?
Education:
US - 7 out of top 10 universities in the world. Other three in the UK.
Transportation:
I’m guessing you like the train system? It’s true, many major EURO cities have great subway systems and city infrastructure. But beyond that, the trains were unreliable and not punctual. Plan an extra 45 minutes for everything (German/Italy) experience.
Welfare/Social Programs:
This is where it’s political. If that’s what you like, then it’s probably some kind of Utopia to you. But in Germany, those folks pay between 7-8% of gross for that healthcare. The UK is no different. Denmark is off the charts. Not to mention employer contribution of the same percentage. That’s more than three times what comes out of my paycheck. And the actual care? My wife had a baby here and abroad. The level of care is not the same. She said she felt like she was at a five star resort having the baby here in the US. No sharing rooms with other patients. Own bathroom. Meals that consisted of more than just bread and cheese.
Europe is definitely first world and is really nice. But nowadays, Americans tend to forget why their ancestors came here. Until you actually experience it, I think that European mystique is more hype than substance. It’s just annoying to hear over and over how incredible Europe is by those that just repeat talking points and have never spent any meaningful time there.
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