APA officially in negotiations with ALPA
10-06-2025 | 03:00 PM
#141
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They aren't overpaying into the system. The ALPA national structure and support system is overwhelmingly represented by the interests of those big 3 carriers. Each smaller carrier (and large carrier) MEC has its own budget paid by the dues of their respective pilot groups. What helps all carriers is access to ALPA legal, E&FA, government affairs etc., which in turn helps the industry and the profession as a whole.
Secondly, ALPA has been partially refunding dues the past two years.
Secondly, ALPA has been partially refunding dues the past two years.
10-07-2025 | 02:06 AM
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The sad part is you think paying more in dues money equates to a "better" CBA.
DAL, FedEx, and UAL are all paying more than their "fair share" in order to keep the entire ALPA structure going.
https://www.alpa.org/Supporting-Pilots/Pilot-Groups
How many of these groups could even afford their MEC office or union work buyouts if the big 3 weren't overpaying into the system?
Sincerely,
20 year former ALPA member
DAL, FedEx, and UAL are all paying more than their "fair share" in order to keep the entire ALPA structure going.
https://www.alpa.org/Supporting-Pilots/Pilot-Groups
How many of these groups could even afford their MEC office or union work buyouts if the big 3 weren't overpaying into the system?
Sincerely,
20 year former ALPA member
10-07-2025 | 04:08 AM
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I think this last round of contract negotiations made it clear that ALPA negotiators were able to bring better final documents to their pilot groups than APA was. Sure, the hourly rate on APA's looked decent, but the quality of life giveaways they made to get it are only now becoming fully apparent.
10-07-2025 | 04:43 AM
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First, IF dues were to decrease from 1.5% if AA were to join, it would be because AA pilots would be paying more than our current 1%. This is a fact.
Secondly, there are many ALPA carriers who dues dollars do not support their airlines union operation. It’s not that pilot groups fault, they are small and the dues dollars are just not enough to support their MEC/LECs without National “redistribution of dues” from other carriers. So AA dues dollars will be increased from APA 1% to help subsidize smaller ALPA carriers.
Secondly, there are many ALPA carriers who dues dollars do not support their airlines union operation. It’s not that pilot groups fault, they are small and the dues dollars are just not enough to support their MEC/LECs without National “redistribution of dues” from other carriers. So AA dues dollars will be increased from APA 1% to help subsidize smaller ALPA carriers.
10-07-2025 | 04:47 AM
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We had one of our esteemed APA negotiator experts pick up premium trips out of the country instead of showing up to negotiations....while we were pating 1.5%
10-07-2025 | 07:08 AM
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10-07-2025 | 09:47 AM
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First, IF dues were to decrease from 1.5% if AA were to join, it would be because AA pilots would be paying more than our current 1%. This is a fact.
Secondly, there are many ALPA carriers who dues dollars do not support their airlines union operation. It’s not that pilot groups fault, they are small and the dues dollars are just not enough to support their MEC/LECs without National “redistribution of dues” from other carriers. So AA dues dollars will be increased from APA 1% to help subsidize smaller ALPA carriers.
Secondly, there are many ALPA carriers who dues dollars do not support their airlines union operation. It’s not that pilot groups fault, they are small and the dues dollars are just not enough to support their MEC/LECs without National “redistribution of dues” from other carriers. So AA dues dollars will be increased from APA 1% to help subsidize smaller ALPA carriers.
I'm not posting to convince anyone in any potential vote. Simply stating that IF anyone is basing their vote, at least in part, on dues %, both 'sides' need to be comparing actual apples:apples. Recognize that temporary dues reductions (be they by APA or ALPA) are just that, but also recognizing that several consecutive years of sustained dues reduction is meaningful. And, to say that I think we would ALL expect ALPA dues to be permanently reduced should 17,000 pilots join. A 20+% increase in dues paying pilots simply has to lower dues. Do with that what you will.
10-07-2025 | 01:00 PM
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Because of the dues holiday, the effective rate for 2025 will be somewhere around 0.5%.
10-07-2025 | 01:36 PM
#149
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It will be interesting to see if they can get it all the way down to 1%.
Are these dues also taken from retirement contributions?
10-07-2025 | 02:25 PM
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We were also in negotiations the whole time I was there, so that may have had something to do with it but I can’t remember for sure.
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