I would like to know the average age of the third list seniority list, vs. the "less than a year" crowd at American.

I'm a third lister, and I don't agree with putting the former TWA folks behind me, or any third lister, to be honest. Age is huge here- I just feel everyone should have their shot at the top tier of the seniority pyramid. I'm not looking to benefit at the expense of else, but I am definately not going to be a rung on the ladder for someone to advance themselves at my expense either.

However, I also know that Flybywire is correct- the arbitrators at Uni-Cal ruled and set the precedent. In arbitration, precedent is everything.

 

You better believe that is the way its going to be. A furlough with one or two years los will go below someone with more, I don't care when those furloughs were hired. Apa isn't going to be able destroy peoples lives like they used to, we have laws now.

 

(Sigh)

The views expressed by CanoePilot do not necessarily reflect the views of US Airways East pilots, US Airways West pilots, US Airways Third-List pilots or the National Football League.

 

Some however feel differently as this topic proves. Regardless of individual feelings here, it's highly likely East negotiators at the least will persue an LOS reduction for furloughees and a virtual certainty for flow-thrus. APA may even be willing to consider both as well in their "models", of which there already are many. It is not out of the question. One of the considerations (and there are others) is that many AA furloughees made their recall bypass election prior to merger so they had little ability to incorporate a "risk/reward" assessment in returning at any given time. Additionally, if you start altering credit from furloughs who returned vs. those that bypassed, you then begin to reassign pilots to more junior positions on the combined list than pilots they were previously senior to on their pre-merger list. Same with AA flows and East/West furloughs as well and this then destroys the concept of pre-merger career expectations.

Management supposedly wants all fences gone by end of 2016 or even no fences (duh.....it gives them maximum synergy flexibility ASAP), but jumbling the lists around AND dropping fences quickly puts many junior at AA in an especially bad situation, thus APA a would have to be VERY careful with that. A quick fence drop with no LOS alterations would be less jeopardy for APA and more possible or if LOS is a player, then long fences to maintain pre-merger career expectations. Of course, according to the MOU, Parker & Co. must remain neutral regarding SLI and so APA will have to be careful about letting their interests become a motivator.

 

There is no precedent in SLI's. If that were the case, every merger would have been modeled after the very first merger. UAL/CAL, DAL/NWA and SWA/ATI all had different issues and different outcomes. AA/U has its own issues, some of which were not part of that or any other SLI and what occurred in any aspect of UAL/CAL shouldn't necessarily dictate this SLI.

 

They MAY reflect the views of USAPA or East negotiators though and even be under exploration by APA.

 

Off topic, I heard the hiring and/or applying window has been temporarily closed…is there any truth to this? Could explain the increasingly long call back times for interviews. Someone else said it might be due to flow throughs coming on. I don't want to perpetuate any false/bad rumors, and the source was unknown but seemed credible. Personally, Ive had this sinking suspicion that AA/US got over zealous with their hiring plans and now they recognize with increased productivity they won't need as many folks as the thought. Any input appreciated.

 

 

Haha, you mean ON topic. From the sounds of it, they took a break for the WAI/OBAP conferences and to clear out a backlog of trainees. It seems interview invites have started to go back out.

 

Makes sense

I am glad to hear it. I hate to be overly suspicious of good things.
On the higher end of seniority/equipment there is quite an overage, with no growth to be seen. Might be partly due to attendance problems during the summer months. I keep hearing "they" will have a better handle on staffing come mid to late summer. Should there be displacements on top the trickle down training would start to unravel the school house even more then normal. We'll see.