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Old 01-12-2014 | 10:25 AM
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I guess I am an optimist but I keep thinking about the overwhelming support of the MOU. I have always believed that everyone knew what they were voting for. I voted yes and I assure you that I think that it as a huge gift to Parker in many ways. Still, it seems to be a way out of a quagmire that honestly, neither the East or the West could, in all good faith (again on both sides), accomplish with their respective members. Hopefully I have interpreted the overwhelming approval of the MOU correctly and the membership from both sides will send a clear message that we want to move forward.
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Old 01-12-2014 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
you want the west to take the furloughs and downgrades that happened AFTER we were a single company for 3 years? You east boys better wake up, this ruling is a "punt" it will be appealed and usapa and the company will be sued at every step, get used to it.
Perhaps USAPA should consider filling suit against AOL for frivolous suits that have cost its members mucho$$ to defend. The courts have spoken. Any future AOL suit should be countered.
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Old 01-12-2014 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
you want the west to take the furloughs and downgrades that happened AFTER we were a single company for 3 years? You east boys better wake up, this ruling is a "punt" it will be appealed and usapa and the company will be sued at every step, get used to it.
I frankly think that the company will squash you (the East as well, when/if it is in their best interest ) like a bug when they are ready and in any lawsuits that might drag on, the East can just grab onto the company coattails. I would much rather be on the same side as labor, given the choice.
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Old 01-12-2014 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by justjack
I frankly think that the company will squash you (the East as well, when/if it is in their best interest ) like a bug when they are ready and in any lawsuits that might drag on, the East can just grab onto the company coattails. I would much rather be on the same side as labor, given the choice.
Isn't the company the one that wanted the west at the table? Isn't the company the one that said they are responsible for a "fair" integration? The east will never fairly represent the west and according to the judge avoided a dfr by the "slimmest" of margins. You think that the company won't take that language seriously?
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Old 01-12-2014 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew
Perhaps USAPA should consider filling suit against AOL for frivolous suits that have cost its members mucho$$ to defend. The courts have spoken. Any future AOL suit should be countered.
What did the courts speak about? Do you even understand what was/wasn't ruled on? All she ruled was that the MOU itself wasn't a dfr because it was "seniority neutral". That leaves the west completely able to sue whomever the bargaining agent is and the company if the nic. is not used as the list in MB.
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Old 01-12-2014 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
What did the courts speak about? Do you even understand what was/wasn't ruled on?
Do you? Read this again. Heck, read it two or three times.

I. Claim One: Breach of the Duty of Fair Representation
96. Plaintiffs re-allege each and every allegation set forth above as
if fully set forth herein.
97. Pursuant to the duty of fair representation, USAPA must have a
legitimate union purpose to use anything other than the Nicolau Award
list to integrate East Pilots and West Pilots.



98. USAPA does not have a legitimate union purpose to use
anything other than the Nicolau Award list to integrate East Pilots and
West Pilots.
99. USAPA, therefore, breached the duty of fair representation by
entering into the MOU because the MOU abandons a duty to treat the
Nicolau Award as final and binding.

100. Plaintiffs are entitled to a declaratory judgment to that effect
and to other remedy sought below.

Judge said: "IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Clerk of Court is directed to enter judgment in
favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I"
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Old 01-12-2014 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Do you? Read this again. Heck, read it two or three times.

I. Claim One: Breach of the Duty of Fair Representation
96. Plaintiffs re-allege each and every allegation set forth above as
if fully set forth herein.
97. Pursuant to the duty of fair representation, USAPA must have a
legitimate union purpose to use anything other than the Nicolau Award
list to integrate East Pilots and West Pilots.



98. USAPA does not have a legitimate union purpose to use
anything other than the Nicolau Award list to integrate East Pilots and
West Pilots.
99. USAPA, therefore, breached the duty of fair representation by
entering into the MOU because the MOU abandons a duty to treat the
Nicolau Award as final and binding.

100. Plaintiffs are entitled to a declaratory judgment to that effect
and to other remedy sought below.

Judge said: "IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Clerk of Court is directed to enter judgment in
favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I"
We will see you and the company in court again soon. First on appeal and then dfr 3 if usapa is still around when MB starts.
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Old 01-12-2014 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
We will see you and the company in court again soon. First on appeal and then dfr 3 if usapa is still around when MB starts.
Your money, your stagnation.
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Old 01-12-2014 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
We will see you and the company in court again soon. First on appeal and then dfr 3 if usapa is still around when MB starts.
USAPA won't be around by then so that suit will obviously be moot. But here's what I predict for your suits against the company. They will make a strong case for dismissal on summary judgment based on Silver's rulings and the overwhelming vote of west pilots on the MOU. Your case will be dismissed on summary judgment. Any further lawsuits that involve the company will be met by a countersuit against AOL as an entity and all involved pilots personally for bringing frivolous law suits in an attempt to harm the company. The countersuit will be asking for multiple millions in damages. After you quickly run out of money defending against the countersuit, you'll only be released by the company if you sign away any further rights to sue the company for any reason. You'll do so.

This is my prediction because it is exactly what I would do if I was running American.

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Old 01-12-2014 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
You really need to stop and think for once. You are sitting on a right seat island out in PHX. Do you really want to delay the SLI and watch the east attrition keep on rolling without you? 62 captain vacancies for the April bid.
Many West "leaders" collecting the donations know its easy to rally the troops on the notion that those 62 captain upgrades (and many others before and after) rightfully belong to the West pilots, according to Nic, even though they are East pilot retirements.

The West pilots will keep donating (they have a pay raise to put to good use!) and they will play here on the message boards convincing themselves their victory is imminent.. And they will get damages too!

The East pilots now have huge pay raises, are busy choosing when to upgrade to Captain, line holder, or Widebody as the bids keep rolling in... We have money to spend, decisions to make, and zero fear of the Nic being imposed.

The East posters will quickly dwindle and be on with our real lives.

Adios.
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