Thedude

No, the list would not be re-ordered.
If the furloughees-deferals do get stapled, it would be whoever is in the bottom 1000+ numbers at the time of the POR snapshot.

Name User

No, see above.

NC43rd

Correct, those pilots were only on property at the time because a furloughee bypassed and they needed someone to take their place. Otherwise AA is bringing 1000 more pilots to the party and taking LUS seats.

eaglefly

Your last sentence is simply one of opinion and is essentially the argument of the two LUS committee's as it benefits them to get the arbs to embrace that assumption.

It would be apt to remember Nicolau's statement that "each case turns on its OWN facts" and it's a statement repeated by the arbs in the UAL/CAL integration award as to the reasoning behind their decisions in that SLI. This case has its own facts that diverge from other merger/SLI's. In the U/AWA award by Nic, his reasoning for stapling the furloughed East pilots who had DOH's as much as a decade or more earlier then some probationary West pilots was primarily founded in his belief they had little expectation of return due to legacy (pre AWA merger) US Airways financial condition. The UAL/CAL integration was truly one more of equals unlike the convoluted claims made by Wilder and his witnesses which made treatment of furloughee's in that integration a simpler equation.

I'm not stupid enough to say X will happen with this component (unlike a few others) in this SLI, but I'd suggest you not cling to certainty in that last sentence unless you are willing to risk shock at the outcome of that aspect of the award. The arbs very well may believe these pilots in THIS situation do have viable seniority rights and valid PMCE despite not physically being on property by the snapshot date and if they do, there is valid dispute to any claim otherwise although it is one that many disagree with.

Saabs

How many pilot jobs were there in December 2013 for AA? How many pilots on the seniority list including all furloughs?

I dont care as I'm at the bottom, just curious.

meyers9163

Don't feed into this troll. His ignorance is astounding.... It'll follow identical to DAL/NWA and CAL/UAL... His hopes of screwing every LUS pilot like AA and his Eagle cronies did to TWA are absolutely disgusting... Guess he's hoping to win a lottery that goes against law? Seems logical for his brain...

full of luv

This is exactly what happened in the DAL/NWA merger. ALL of the bypassed furloughees retained their original standing amongst their peers and they were slotted into the list at the appropriate spot.

It didn't mean the company had to immediate recall, only when hiring was needed were they invited back, but at the same spot they would have been had they been working the whole time, with longevity for their involuntary furloughed time for payrates, vacation, etc.

Not seeing how a bypassed furlough guy could be pulled from the AA sli and then reinserted lower behind peers that already accepted recall.

The guys who accepted a job at AA/US since have known that furloughees could return at a future date ahead of them when they started. Merger didn't change that fact.

DCA A321 FO

Well the furloughed guy who bypassed should be placed in his correct seniority spot (for the sake of building a list), but, for each one of these, the junior guy on the list should be put in his furlough spot.

eaglefly

The answer to those questions is subjective depending upon which committee's assertions you subscribe to.

eaglefly

My, my. I see a lot of anger here........in fact, it is more akin to rage. I suspect it is founded in fear that your hopes and dreams may not be realized once the ISL is awarded. I hope to screw no one, because I have sense enough to realize I CANT screw anyone. If the arbitrators do place career expectation weight to the AA furloughees (many of whom are ex-TWA), will they then be "ignorant trolls" who screwed X or Y ?

No one at Eagle screwed TWA pilots as it was an arbitrator (Nicolau in this case) who determined the facts of a given dispute and guess what ?

That is EXACTLY what is about to occur here.