billyho

There's probably 600-700,000 hours of experience in that picture.

Rightseatpro

Hypothetically...If all recalls decided to come back, what would happen to all the other hiring? Obviously it would cut into OTS hiring but would it slow flows down as well?

I guess what I'm getting at is, are the recalls included in the hiring numbers for this year? If so, if OTS guys aren't hired by May, I doubt they will be for the rest of the year due to a surge of last opportunity recalls.

Also, how can flows be ~50% of new hires if they are actually just ~50% of people going through training. Aren't recalls already part of the company? I don't understand how the company would be contractually obligated to push all these flows through since they aren't really hiring anyone else.

Frip

Already trying to read agreements in a way that benefits himself and ignores his fellow pilots' contractual rights

Gonna' fit right in

Rightseatpro

Wo, it was a question, not an antagonistic remark meant to throw poop at any demographic.

Just wondering if anyone has actual fact based insight into how this years hiring will shake out.

Name User

It's a question I have as well as it certainly impacts me, being a post Dec-2013 hire I'm slotted in DOH and any "true" new hires help my cause, vs. recalls that will slot in above me.

I honestly don't think you'll find anyone that knows first hand info posting on here, all we can do is guess.

My educated hunch tells me the "new hires" they are including in those numbers are also recalled guys. In addition, I have no idea how AA management will view a class of say 30 and if the recalls reduce the amount of true "new hire" spots that are open.

Example, out of a class of 30 "new hires" there are various flows that are required to be filled, my guess is around 15-20 or so (Eagle + PSA + PDT). Does that mean only room for 10-15 recalls/new hires or would AA do a class of 30 recalls and zero flows? I don't know we'll have to see how it shakes down.

But the bigger issue I think is with that hiring figure, are recalls included? Again my guess is YES. Hopefully for our sake the majority of furloughed guys stay put and don't come back, would mean more OTS hiring.

TankerDriver

Envoy's got about 2,400 pilots, PSA's got 1,200 and Piemont's got 450. Is there a max cap on the flows? In other words, in 4-5 years when they're hiring near 1,000 pilots per year just to keep up with mandatory retirements, will they still be able to suck 70% per year out of the regionals with flows?

Sliceback

Envoy airline profile has the agreement details. At some point in the future it will be down to 35% of each month's hiring that can be capped at 15/month.

PSA/PDT agreement might have future differences also.

If the current PSA/PDT monthly flow stays fixed at some future date hiring 83/month 1000/year will be 34% flows.

Frip

There seems to be an "attitude" towards the flows and deferees.

They both have contractual rights, bottom line.

Nice pretty graphic on pg 53, post 522 of this thread answers your questions.

The unknown is how many of the deferees come back, that no one can answer uet, but most people are saying not many, like 10%.

I wouldn't bet a plug nickel on that or any other number greater than 5 or less than 95, just too many individual reasons and situations.

Name User

Most furloughees seem to be at jetBlue, SWA, etc. by now sitting in the left seat. I've met quite a handful. I can't imagine most would come back with the (very real) possibility of being stapled below a crap ton of 20 to early 30 something 2010-2013 hires. I mean, would you come back?

full of luv

So your saying that the original Aa list would be reordered by pulling the bypassing pilots and attaching to the end? Wouldn't that be unprecedented?