Originally Posted by eaglefly

Yes. It's termed a "comprehensive counter proposal", not an "LBFO" or anything with the term "final" in it. It's designed to allow compromise. A very few items might be rejected, but most will involve compromise. It's the most likely option and always has been. It's simply been a process of brinksmanship and clearly some don't have the stomach for that. Again, both sides want an out and to be able to claim victory in their own way, Parker to save face as being a tough Crandallesqe negotiator, yet achieving the perception of employee support and APA to be able to mitigate some of the fiasco of the LBFO disaster and yet be able to stand behind something that they can support and claim is truly the best that could be achieved and brings X value above arbitration.

I think they are close.......very close. Hopefully Parker doesn't blow it. If he balks and it goes to arbitration, they'll have to essentially start over again even if it's from a higher plane then the original "wants".

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

Glass is whispering in Parker's ear... Hey bud if we go to arbitration, cut wide body lines, and blame the BOD for turning down the huge pay raises we offered the peons.. The peons will mutiny. Heck we already have almost half the BOD on our side.. We just scare a few more peons and the whole APA will fold like a cheap suit, and will be begging us to just settle for half of what we are offering now.

Glass doesn't win unless he gets submission via mutiny... If he doesn't cause at least one recall attempt on the hardliners, then Glass is a miserable failure.

Expect retribution and divisions.

Originally Posted by aa73

I'm trembling so much aye kant spel eny moar.

It won't even get to arbitration. They'll reject this latest offer, start the process, and that's where the deal making will begin. Company does not want arbitration. But if they gamble everything and do it anyway, they will be quickly looking at each other wondering W-T-F just happened??

Quit falling for their lies and threats.

Originally Posted by SewerPipeDvr

R57 Relay, how did I do? I believe after Judge Silver's findings the east peanut gallery was crowing they won. I said no one won. She kicked the can. Quote from the first day-

"And the idea, I keep getting hearings that
Judge Silver has conclusively resolved the issue.
She did not. She just postponed it. Understood it
was going to be APA's problem at some point in the
future." APA James.
Just an opinion but James won this in opening. There is really no other recourse. APA will appoint a West committee. I could not believe USAPA tried the old orphan defense (yes I killed my parents, but now I am an orphan). Yes we might screw the West, but if they are allowed separate representation then we will BOTH be screwed! Too funny that one. One note. I said the arbitrators would not punish the East. Now I am not so sure. Reading the transcripts, I detect a bit of "attitude". Maybe the arbitrators now and the next will send a message to future groups. Mess with us at your own peril. Perhaps refuse a East fence allowing West to take WB seats. Just a feeling. But after thirty years of practice, beware. I don't plan to read anymore transcripts so see you after the results come out. (my service sends me any legal filings I flag)

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

I agree with you on the glass perspective. Most..if not all I speak with are VERY happy with APA and their stance. I think Parker wants to avoid arbitration. HBT and dom/intl are VERY big deals to them. How big? That's the question.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Yes. It's termed a "comprehensive counter proposal", not an "LBFO" or anything with the term "final" in it. It's designed to allow compromise. A very few items might be rejected, but most will involve compromise. It's the most likely option and always has been. It's simply been a process of brinksmanship and clearly some don't have the stomach for that. Again, both sides want an out and to be able to claim victory in their own way, Parker to save face as being a tough Crandallesqe negotiator, yet achieving the perception of employee support and APA to be able to mitigate some of the fiasco of the LBFO disaster and yet be able to stand behind something that they can support and claim is truly the best that could be achieved and brings X value above arbitration.

I think they are close.......very close. Hopefully Parker doesn't blow it. If he balks and it goes to arbitration, they'll have to essentially start over again even if it's from a higher plane then the original "wants".

Originally Posted by Route66

It is what I was saying this whole time I got here but NOPE! You kept saying "Arbitration, its better in arbitration". Don't give them ANYTHING. Drawing the proverbial "lie in the sand". Everyone here KNOWS your full of ----!

So I went with YOUR mantra LET'S GO TO ARBITRATION, DAMN THE BASTARDS!

And look, now you guys change your tune. You are exactly right:

Parker and Glass play you guys like a fiddle.

Hey you guys that LURK on these forums, do what you do best and fly airplanes. These web board negotiators have and always GIVE the company the TRUE track of the APA: disjointed, factionalized and most of all IGNORANT!

Originally Posted by eaglefly

God, what an unobservant dope.

I realize your beyond hope, but to others, my position has been clear and consistent since the beginning, i.e., that a deal avoiding arbitration will ultimately occur. I have also been consistent in my lack of fear if arbitration. I can more then easily prove that with post/timing references here on the forum.

A day or two ago you were babbling that arbitration was a certainty, now it's a deal. I've concluded with you a 9-year old is periodically hijacking daddy's computer. No one can be as whacked as you present yourself to be.