JCBA timeline extension
11-20-2014 | 03:28 PM
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APA DFW Vice Chairman Update: November 19, 2014
DFW Line Pilots,
We find ourselves in the midst of JCBA negotiations with AA. As all of you know, I ran on a platform of my past business experience and changing the way we do business at APA. While my job as your Rep often entails finding myself in roles in which I have little experience, the JCBA position we find ourself in-is NOT one of those. I am completely at ease with the process.
I am getting many emails from members wanting to know what is happening. We are in the midst of developing/implementing negotiating strategy- "I simply will not respond". This being said, I will work for you and will provide regular updates.
1.SCOPE- AA made us concentrate on 81 seats & asked for 5. DFW guys sent countless emails a day. You were heard and apparently the amount of messages caused some concern. We countered AA with a Scope offer of our own. They withdrew Scope from Table. THANKS DFW!
2. WHERE ARE WE NOW? Not going to discuss strategy! However, I strongly feel that the current offer is lacking in some critical areas that are industry standard-AA knows this. We have further to go before we get a deal and can continue concentrating on making AA the # 1 airline in the world. Many of the items are a win/win for both sides. Those few of you that want me to send the current offer to membership for a vote -- "Recall me if you want, but NO!" (There is more work to be done).
3. ARBITRATION-I am NOT afraid of Arbitration. That being said it is NOT the optimal outcome for either the Line Pilots or AA. Should AA mistake my willingness to a deal that benefits both AA and the Line Pilots as weakness to expolit, would be a HUGE mistake.
4. AA's NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE-I hope Mr. Parker and Kirby read this blast. I wonder if they really know wht is going on in that room. If not-"I suggest they take a leadership role". Constant replies from AA negotiators of "THAT IS PROBLEMATIC," with no explanations as to why is not indicative of Culture Change.
As your elected Domicile Representatives, We are dedicated to keeping the DFW Line Pilots informed and updated. As a key stakeholder in AA, recognize that we have, and will continue, to play a major role in the success of The NEW AA. I truly hope, that unlike past AA Management, Mr. Parky & Mr. Kirby recognize the value of a Stakeholder relationship with the pilots. The success of the NEW AA depends on it!
I am including a recent Bloomberg article. I ask that all of the DFW Line Pilots AND MR. PARKER/KIRBY and AA Management read it. THIS is culture change!
Rest assured your DFW Representatives will keep you updated. Keep your schedule clear for domicile meetings to be scheduled the first week of December - details as soon as we have them.
Josey
F/O Josey Wales, DFW Vice Chairman
DFW Line Pilots,
We find ourselves in the midst of JCBA negotiations with AA. As all of you know, I ran on a platform of my past business experience and changing the way we do business at APA. While my job as your Rep often entails finding myself in roles in which I have little experience, the JCBA position we find ourself in-is NOT one of those. I am completely at ease with the process.
I am getting many emails from members wanting to know what is happening. We are in the midst of developing/implementing negotiating strategy- "I simply will not respond". This being said, I will work for you and will provide regular updates.
1.SCOPE- AA made us concentrate on 81 seats & asked for 5. DFW guys sent countless emails a day. You were heard and apparently the amount of messages caused some concern. We countered AA with a Scope offer of our own. They withdrew Scope from Table. THANKS DFW!
2. WHERE ARE WE NOW? Not going to discuss strategy! However, I strongly feel that the current offer is lacking in some critical areas that are industry standard-AA knows this. We have further to go before we get a deal and can continue concentrating on making AA the # 1 airline in the world. Many of the items are a win/win for both sides. Those few of you that want me to send the current offer to membership for a vote -- "Recall me if you want, but NO!" (There is more work to be done).
3. ARBITRATION-I am NOT afraid of Arbitration. That being said it is NOT the optimal outcome for either the Line Pilots or AA. Should AA mistake my willingness to a deal that benefits both AA and the Line Pilots as weakness to expolit, would be a HUGE mistake.
4. AA's NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE-I hope Mr. Parker and Kirby read this blast. I wonder if they really know wht is going on in that room. If not-"I suggest they take a leadership role". Constant replies from AA negotiators of "THAT IS PROBLEMATIC," with no explanations as to why is not indicative of Culture Change.
As your elected Domicile Representatives, We are dedicated to keeping the DFW Line Pilots informed and updated. As a key stakeholder in AA, recognize that we have, and will continue, to play a major role in the success of The NEW AA. I truly hope, that unlike past AA Management, Mr. Parky & Mr. Kirby recognize the value of a Stakeholder relationship with the pilots. The success of the NEW AA depends on it!
I am including a recent Bloomberg article. I ask that all of the DFW Line Pilots AND MR. PARKER/KIRBY and AA Management read it. THIS is culture change!
Rest assured your DFW Representatives will keep you updated. Keep your schedule clear for domicile meetings to be scheduled the first week of December - details as soon as we have them.
Josey
F/O Josey Wales, DFW Vice Chairman
Your not afraid of it....BUT YOU SHOULD BE. AFPA and us are going to be known as the POSTER CHILDREN of labor greed. Parker and Co. are figuring in just this tack so that labor is the bad guys. I'm prepared for it, so I'm good.
Go ahead and take it to the World with your BOD walk-a-thons. This issue is coming from the Board and if you guys can't see it then you have spent too much time in CO.
Let me offer congratulations on our new found spaghetti western. Dying ain't much of a livin, APA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCsOig_uLio
11-20-2014 | 03:42 PM
#793
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From: A terminal bum
" yeah guys we can definitely work this out..lets just get through the holidays and I think we can find a reasonable solution for all parties"
11-20-2014 | 04:09 PM
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From: B-757/767 Capt.
No matter what side of a debate we might take. How pitiful the level of disrespect in this and so many threads from members of a group that are the first to demand to be treated as professionals.
It's enough to make me puke. You guys are really tough at that keyboard! Why don't you meet each other in a parking lot and handle it like children do on a playground and find out who the tough guy is. At least they have the balls to call each other out rather than anonomously sending electronic insults.
At least it's the same few, no matter what the thread. Maybe that famous 1% resides here.
And they want to be respected as airline pilots?
I wouldn't let some of them park my phucking car!
It's enough to make me puke. You guys are really tough at that keyboard! Why don't you meet each other in a parking lot and handle it like children do on a playground and find out who the tough guy is. At least they have the balls to call each other out rather than anonomously sending electronic insults.
At least it's the same few, no matter what the thread. Maybe that famous 1% resides here.
And they want to be respected as airline pilots?
I wouldn't let some of them park my phucking car!
11-20-2014 | 04:35 PM
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No matter what side of a debate we might take. How pitiful the level of disrespect in this and so many threads from members of a group that are the first to demand to be treated as professionals.
It's enough to make me puke. You guys are really tough at that keyboard! Why don't you meet each other in a parking lot and handle it like children do on a playground and find out who the tough guy is. At least they have the balls to call each other out rather than anonomously sending electronic insults.
At least it's the same few, no matter what the thread. Maybe that famous 1% resides here.
And they want to be respected as airline pilots?
I wouldn't let some of them park my phucking car!
It's enough to make me puke. You guys are really tough at that keyboard! Why don't you meet each other in a parking lot and handle it like children do on a playground and find out who the tough guy is. At least they have the balls to call each other out rather than anonomously sending electronic insults.
At least it's the same few, no matter what the thread. Maybe that famous 1% resides here.
And they want to be respected as airline pilots?
I wouldn't let some of them park my phucking car!
I came on to discuss the issue of the company offer. Go back and read the thread. Now that BEING said I'm ready to go back to the professional discussion talk but ONLY if others would like to play nice.
11-20-2014 | 05:01 PM
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I didn't start it when I came on. EagleFly and WD tried to trash me with their "this is our territory" type chest thumping and "Woe is the West pilot" plight and the rest is history. I don't even come close to acting like this in real life.
I came on to discuss the issue of the company offer. Go back and read the thread. Now that BEING said I'm ready to go back to the professional discussion talk but ONLY if others would like to play nice.
I came on to discuss the issue of the company offer. Go back and read the thread. Now that BEING said I'm ready to go back to the professional discussion talk but ONLY if others would like to play nice.
Signed,
A "chump".
11-20-2014 | 06:02 PM
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Oh please God. You are embarrassing. I liked it better when I thought you were a company troll. Do you know no boundaries. This is beyond the pale.
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