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11-21-2014 | 02:32 AM
#811
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11-21-2014 | 02:33 AM
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Not really fair to use my expectations but lets use those that were hired from 98 until right when this thing happened. The upgrade time was dead on 7 years here and the compensation though not great it was better than LOA 93. AWA never had the best pay but we tired to make up for that in other area of the contract like having and industry leading 5:15 credit day. We had the industry leading company funded short term disability. We had 100% cancellation pay and full pay for deadheads and a few others that are now going away. So in terms of expectations you need to look at those that were expecting to move up at the 7yr mark that have been held back now for over double that time while there are 3yr capts at this very property. Now if you can actually justify that then this conversation is over.
WD at AWA
WD at AWA
Will the conversation REALLY be over? Stand by for more.......
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11-21-2014 | 02:39 AM
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[QUOTE=cubguy;1767669]
Really, JUNIOR? I didn't know that. You mean...the web boards are REAL LIFE? Not for me. I have a high paying STILL well respected J-O-B here and assuming I keep my health I will STILL have a J-O-B here.
As for being NAIVE about your real life on the internet you may want to get outside and actually DO SOMETHING if it bothers you.
However, if you are interested in talking about the real issues that MATTER....SPORT.....I'm willing to let bygones be bygones.
What say you?
As for being NAIVE about your real life on the internet you may want to get outside and actually DO SOMETHING if it bothers you.
However, if you are interested in talking about the real issues that MATTER....SPORT.....I'm willing to let bygones be bygones.
What say you?
11-21-2014 | 04:19 AM
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Here is a "tid bit" of the day for those who DON'T read their contract:
e. On or before July 1, 2015 , the parties will meet and confer for a period of up to 30 days to
attempt to achieve a voluntary agreement for an Industry Comparable Pay Rate
Adjustment. If by August 1, 2015, the parties are unable to achieve a voluntary
agreement on an Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment (calculated according to
subsections a., b., and c. above, and subject to subsection d. above), they will submit the
issue of an Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment to interest arbitration under the
procedures of Section 7 of the Railway Labor Act.
(1) The parties will agree on or before August 1, 2015 to the appointment of three neutral
arbitrators, to include Richard Bloch, if available, as the principal neutral. Failing
agreement on the appointment of three neutral arbitrators on or before DOS + 31
months, the parties will request the National Mediation Board to appoint a panel of
three neutral arbitrators (to include Richard Bloch, if available, as the principal
neutral), who are members of the National Academy of Arbitrators.
(2) To facilitate the interest arbitration, the parties may enter an interest arbitration
agreement setting forth ground rules for the interest arbitration. In the absence of
such interest arbitration agreement, the interest arbitration will be conducted
according to the provisions of this Agreement and whatever ground rules the panel
deems appropriate.
(3) The parties will share equally all costs of interest arbitration.
(4) The interest arbitration will begin on or before September 1, 2015 and a hearing will
be concluded and a decision issued on or before December 1, 2015.
So much for Delta's NEW CONTRACT RATES. BYE BYE.
e. On or before July 1, 2015 , the parties will meet and confer for a period of up to 30 days to
attempt to achieve a voluntary agreement for an Industry Comparable Pay Rate
Adjustment. If by August 1, 2015, the parties are unable to achieve a voluntary
agreement on an Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment (calculated according to
subsections a., b., and c. above, and subject to subsection d. above), they will submit the
issue of an Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment to interest arbitration under the
procedures of Section 7 of the Railway Labor Act.
(1) The parties will agree on or before August 1, 2015 to the appointment of three neutral
arbitrators, to include Richard Bloch, if available, as the principal neutral. Failing
agreement on the appointment of three neutral arbitrators on or before DOS + 31
months, the parties will request the National Mediation Board to appoint a panel of
three neutral arbitrators (to include Richard Bloch, if available, as the principal
neutral), who are members of the National Academy of Arbitrators.
(2) To facilitate the interest arbitration, the parties may enter an interest arbitration
agreement setting forth ground rules for the interest arbitration. In the absence of
such interest arbitration agreement, the interest arbitration will be conducted
according to the provisions of this Agreement and whatever ground rules the panel
deems appropriate.
(3) The parties will share equally all costs of interest arbitration.
(4) The interest arbitration will begin on or before September 1, 2015 and a hearing will
be concluded and a decision issued on or before December 1, 2015.
So much for Delta's NEW CONTRACT RATES. BYE BYE.
11-21-2014 | 04:45 AM
#817
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Not really fair to use my expectations but lets use those that were hired from 98 until right when this thing happened. The upgrade time was dead on 7 years here and the compensation though not great it was better than LOA 93. AWA never had the best pay but we tired to make up for that in other area of the contract like having and industry leading 5:15 credit day. We had the industry leading company funded short term disability. We had 100% cancellation pay and full pay for deadheads and a few others that are now going away. So in terms of expectations you need to look at those that were expecting to move up at the 7yr mark that have been held back now for over double that time while there are 3yr capts at this very property. Now if you can actually justify that then this conversation is over.
WD at AWA
WD at AWA
11-21-2014 | 05:20 AM
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Route66,
The text you posted starts off saying "On or before..."
They could already be meeting.
The text you posted starts off saying "On or before..."
They could already be meeting.
Here is a "tid bit" of the day for those who DON'T read their contract:
e. On or before July 1, 2015 , the parties will meet and confer for a period of up to 30 days to
attempt to achieve a voluntary agreement for an Industry Comparable Pay Rate
Adjustment. If by August 1, 2015, the parties are unable to achieve a voluntary
agreement on an Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment (calculated according to
subsections a., b., and c. above, and subject to subsection d. above), they will submit the
issue of an Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment to interest arbitration under the
procedures of Section 7 of the Railway Labor Act.
(1) The parties will agree on or before August 1, 2015 to the appointment of three neutral
arbitrators, to include Richard Bloch, if available, as the principal neutral. Failing
agreement on the appointment of three neutral arbitrators on or before DOS + 31
months, the parties will request the National Mediation Board to appoint a panel of
three neutral arbitrators (to include Richard Bloch, if available, as the principal
neutral), who are members of the National Academy of Arbitrators.
(2) To facilitate the interest arbitration, the parties may enter an interest arbitration
agreement setting forth ground rules for the interest arbitration. In the absence of
such interest arbitration agreement, the interest arbitration will be conducted
according to the provisions of this Agreement and whatever ground rules the panel
deems appropriate.
(3) The parties will share equally all costs of interest arbitration.
(4) The interest arbitration will begin on or before September 1, 2015 and a hearing will
be concluded and a decision issued on or before December 1, 2015.
So much for Delta's NEW CONTRACT RATES. BYE BYE.
e. On or before July 1, 2015 , the parties will meet and confer for a period of up to 30 days to
attempt to achieve a voluntary agreement for an Industry Comparable Pay Rate
Adjustment. If by August 1, 2015, the parties are unable to achieve a voluntary
agreement on an Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment (calculated according to
subsections a., b., and c. above, and subject to subsection d. above), they will submit the
issue of an Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment to interest arbitration under the
procedures of Section 7 of the Railway Labor Act.
(1) The parties will agree on or before August 1, 2015 to the appointment of three neutral
arbitrators, to include Richard Bloch, if available, as the principal neutral. Failing
agreement on the appointment of three neutral arbitrators on or before DOS + 31
months, the parties will request the National Mediation Board to appoint a panel of
three neutral arbitrators (to include Richard Bloch, if available, as the principal
neutral), who are members of the National Academy of Arbitrators.
(2) To facilitate the interest arbitration, the parties may enter an interest arbitration
agreement setting forth ground rules for the interest arbitration. In the absence of
such interest arbitration agreement, the interest arbitration will be conducted
according to the provisions of this Agreement and whatever ground rules the panel
deems appropriate.
(3) The parties will share equally all costs of interest arbitration.
(4) The interest arbitration will begin on or before September 1, 2015 and a hearing will
be concluded and a decision issued on or before December 1, 2015.
So much for Delta's NEW CONTRACT RATES. BYE BYE.
11-21-2014 | 05:36 AM
#820
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I think the point of that text is it will be difficult to capture Delta's new rates given that timeline. And even if APA attempts to secure proposed Delta rates, the company can fight it in arbitration.
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