The company has money, I'll agree with that. But you and I differ on dictate and violate. How about they have a contract and UNDER THE LAW you agree to abide by it? I mean, really, isn't that what the royal "WE" did?

They didn't BUY scope because "WE" already gave it to them. How many RJ's do we have right now, anyway? A lot...right? Too many? I AGREE. So, what I THINK you're trying to say is don't give them anymore "wide body" RJ's. Good luck with that because someone eventually will do it and we'll eventually have to compete.

Welcome to deregulation.

Look, would I like MORE pay and benefits....SURE! WHO WOULD'NT?

Would I like to have only OUR pilots fly "American branded" metal? YOU BET!

But that is ALSO in the past....so is deregulation. So is seniority (LOS). So is....well, you fill in the blanks. When you guys start thinking that the future is US then it's time to maybe start thinking about some SOP's for the union....ALL UNIONS. I'm not holding my breath for that!

But in reality I'm fully prepared to accept the CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS and when the CBA becomes amendable in 2019 we'll just have to see what happens then.

For ONE example, my guess is that if the West pilots don't get their way (and I do not for ONE MINUTE think they will because the law already said so) is that the APA will have its hands full keeping their ranks in line for the next contract.

See you on the flight line.

 

There it is. Last first.

"....we all knew that already."

Well, if you "knew" that already whet are you still DOING the SAME THING?

I DO KNOW the consequences. Why do you think I keep "bringing them up to you"?

What I THINK is that YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE long enough to KNOW the consequences.

 

Emphatically yes and yes! We get it. You are a beaten down east pilot just trying to get the most you can in the last 5-10 years of your career. Your pilot group has had a miserable run since the late 80's. I think we understand how you have lost your will to fight. After your company almost liquidating several times over the last 25 years it's understandable. I was fortunate to fly with many pilots at NWA that had struck several times over their career to better things for not only their group, but the profession as a whole. What I learned from them is that the managements of then and now are no different then today. Get labor to work more for less, divide the group along strong vs the just happy to have a job types. This is NOT the late 70s early 80s when there were 100+ small airlines with the largest at about 4000 pilots and thousands of well qualified pilots on the streets. This is the end game of deregulation with 4 behemoths and a shortage of pilots brewing(due to the career losing it's allure). It's up to us to turn this career around. We are in the best negotiating environment of our lives. There are many, many things we all do everyday to keep these operations running smoothly, that if not done will create havoc in the system. You don't have to do anything illegal, just your job and no one else's.(IE: you are not required to extend beyond your duty day, but most of us will and this will come into play many times there is weather) It's tough to not go above and beyond because that's how most of us are programed. This generation of managers(not leaders) are like addicts hooked on our unwillingness to fight.

 

Not a big surprise, but the company rejected our latest counter offer. Should be a great holiday season around here .

 

Because you're not willing to fight for the profession. Aka, in my eyes, a sellout and definitely management material.

15 years in February. Everyone here who knows me knows that fact.

 

Aa73,
Don't wrestle with a pig. You'll just get dirty and the pig will like it.

Meantime, Diesel, do you have a source on that? I'm not seeing that posted.

 

Does this surprise anyone? Why do people not understand that we have a contract that is not amenable until 2019? What we have now is not section 6, but more of an agreed upon mid-term adjustment. One with terms that say if we can't agree then we go to cost neutral arbitration.

I fly with so many guys and read so much on here and C&R that I have to conclude that most guys didn't actually read the MOU.

 

That is not at all what he is saying. Geeze.

 

R57,
I think guys believed Parker when he said he wanted us to be the "greatest airline in the world" and he wanted this to be a place where "people want to work." What the LAA people didn't realize was that when he said that his lips were moving. And most LUS folks recognized the implications of that. But...hey...he wasn't Horton. Which is what mattered to the good folks on the other side. Now they know that, while the name has changed, nothing else has, I'm curious to see their response.

 

It's already been given! That's the point, the APA gave it up 2 years ago.

I think the scope ask was a Jerry Glass red herring. The company already has what they need, or they would have gotten more in the MOU. They threw it in there knowing it was an emotional issue, and that we would draw a line in the sand that they could push us into cost neutral arbitration.

I'm fine with that, I voted for it.