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TiredSoul 08-18-2019 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2872037)
Simple fix; an in-house union.

You could have just said ALPA

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Crusoe 08-18-2019 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 2872020)
I haven't looked at the provisions for a while, but isn't the fact that both carriers are represented by 1224 part of the reason they can do this? So that kind of narrows the field of who they could acquire to reproduce this result. Also, there aren't many carriers out there generally that they could acquire just to hold back the pilots, so it's a little more hypothetical than likely. Of course, with this management team, one does want as much protection as possible.

Um no. Sadly not even this.

Palmtree Pilot 08-18-2019 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJay (Post 2872152)
So would it be worth coming to Southern for the triple right now? Received an offer to interview...:confused:

If you want to fly a triple in the ACMI world, I'd suggest going to Kalitta or Omni. Much better contracts and labor relations.

Diesel8 08-18-2019 07:34 PM

Well, since "all is lost" for lack of a better term, can we stop paying the ridiculous assessment that we have been paying for close to half a decade that has netted us zip, zero, squat! Thousands paid with absolutely NOTHING to show for it.

If we did that at least we would be able to put something back in our pockets.

If the Union cronies tell us they still need it, I think it's time for:

D E C E R T.

NoJoy 08-18-2019 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Diesel8 (Post 2872500)
Well, since "all is lost" for lack of a better term, can we stop paying the ridiculous assessment that we have been paying for close to half a decade that has netted us zip, zero, squat! Thousands paid with absolutely NOTHING to show for it.

If we did that at least we would be able to put something back in our pockets.

If the Union cronies tell us they still need it, I think it's time for:

D E C E R T.


If we end up with Arbitration and no vote from the pilot group, Teamsters time at Atlas/Southern may indeed be voted on. Ala Kalitta...

Benver 08-19-2019 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by NoJoy (Post 2872523)
If we end up with Arbitration and no vote from the pilot group, Teamsters time at Atlas/Southern may indeed be voted on. Ala Kalitta...

It should be voted no matter what! Never saw a conflict of interest at this level before....

iPilot 08-19-2019 04:21 AM

Pretty sure one of the big reasons the company has gone so far and lost so much flying in the pursuit of amalgamation is to get the union decertified. There was no downside and so much to gain by it.

kodiakallstar 08-19-2019 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by iPilot (Post 2872555)
Pretty sure one of the big reasons the company has gone so far and lost so much flying in the pursuit of amalgamation is to get the union decertified. There was no downside and so much to gain by it.

Yeah these guys would be playing right into the companies hands. I canít think of anything that would give the company more leverage than the unions own membership pushing for a decert in the middle of negotiations.

iPilot 08-19-2019 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by kodiakallstar (Post 2872564)
Yeah these guys would be playing right into the companies hands. I canít think of anything that would give the company more leverage than the unions own membership pushing for a decert in the middle of negotiations.

Union busting 101. Fact is even with this ruling the union can appeal and otherwise drag this out for quite some time. Even *if* the union didnít resist its 9 months of negotiation plus yet another arbitration process that will take well over a year.

With 20 737s coming, amazon expanding as fast a possible and DHL 777s just lying around I wonder if the company can wait to see it through. Just to get this far has taken years and utterly depleted the pilot pool.

However they do get to shake up the resolve of the pilots just in time for the home stretch of negotiations. They know how pilots work, this has all happened many times before.

742Dash 08-19-2019 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by iPilot (Post 2872573)
.. Even *if* the union didnít resist its 9 months of negotiation plus yet another arbitration process that will take well over a year....

Section 1.F.2.b.iii requires the arbitrator to issue the final ruling within 60 days of the start of arbitration, which in turn must start within 30 days of the end of the 9 month negotiating window.

The time line is fixed, and as I recall it was respected by all parties the last time we went down this road. Union starts the clock by presenting the merged list, 9 months of negotiations, 30 days to spin up the arbitrator, 60 days for the arbitrator to do his thing. Done.

This process is designed to be quick, as least by RLA standards.


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