SVA402

My pleasure. It is confusing, especially when you are on the outside looking in.

A lot of CBA jargon, internal information and nomenclature being thrown around.

This is a serious airline with serious people involved in making it a mutual success for everybody involved. All the horses are pulling in the same direction and contrary to many organizations there seems to be a culture of win-win permeating throughout this one...

As hard as the rhetoric goes with grill side romance in Miami and passing online testing, tie or no tie and various sidesteps I think the red line boils down to you and your commitment to being part of a tack driving force with a sharp focus on the end game and keeping an eye on the ball.

Hard working group of folks here... We're all here for our collective and common good!

Still... We do find time to have a bit of fun too!

 

Training counts towards your 17 days unless you bid a bid line which has the training on days off - then you bid with consent to work the extra days. You know when your training is scheduled before you bid - so the usual bid what you want and want what you bid applies!

This is also the case for working more than 17 days in a row from month to month - if you don't want to work back to back 17 day patterns then don't bid them. In that case if you can't hold a line you want the company will assign you a line with days off in between the trips.

 

WorldDC10

Thanks for filling in, I think all I gave SVA402 was half the answer.

Like you said, the training days belong to you and if you have the desire/seniority to have them overlap your line of work it is your call.

Having the days overlay your line of work can/will fragment your original bid and result in you becoming a "free agent" for scheduling but you retain your footprint.

On your days off you will be owned by the company for training and will be subject to travel and hotels as if you are on a trip. This is naturally compensated for by the CBA (Collective bargaining Agreement) but at a lower rate than had you been producing revenue for the company.

It's all up to you and what your dynamics are at the time your training presents itself.

Personally, I have vowed not to go to training on my days off as the return has been remorseful compared to the time I lost at home.

On the other side, be prepared that your 4 day HNL layover will become dust if your training days touch a day of your original bidline...

Thank you WorldDC10, not to steal your thunder...

 

Thanks World and Windbreaker, again great info and exactly what I was looking for. Glad to get some more good info into the thread when someone decides to read 765 pages!

 

SVA402, thanks so much

 

Of course, no problem. Please post here if you hear anything so other folks know what to expect. Best of luck!

 

Brokenwind, there is no CBA requirement for a backup flight. Travel will almost never give in without intervention from the union, but you don't have to accept it. A backup flight is useless anyway - what if it's oversold? Say your previous flight cancels, what guarantee is there you'll be one of the lucky few to get the last seat? None. If your flight cancels, they call out a reserve - that's what they're for.

 

+1000. I've gone round and round with them (politely of course!) about backup flights. Almost every time they've backed down on it.

 

I've been keeping up with this thread for some time now and believe I've read it all at least once. Thanks to all who have provided great info on Atlas and the hiring process!

I'm finally ready to make a career move and am preparing to send in my resume and PAQ. I have a question for the mil guys who have applied/been hired recently. The question about breaks between flying jobs on the PAQ; If you had a non-flying staff job late in your career, did you count that as a break, or just consider your whole military service as continuous employment as a pilot?

Thanks in advance for any advise!

 

captainv...

You beat me to it...nicely done.

There is no CBA requirement for to have a backup flight...don't let the Travel Desk tell you that...if they do, ask them if they are going to buy a ticket for you on that backup flight as well as the one you are originally booked on!!

Yes, I've actually used that line, and ended up going on the very flight that I wanted in the first place.

Also, remember, this is (still) a 747-centric airline. That means that the light-twin guys that DH on company 747s to Asia (or anywhere, but usually Asia) are often asked to get to CVG 12 hours prior to their DH flight, in case their line changes and they have to operate that airplane...only problem?...that DH airplane is a 747, and us light-twin guys are (of course) not qualified to fly the 747!!

So, the Union gets involved and guess what?...guys end up arriving in CVG (to DH to Asia on a company 747) with 2 hours between their flight from home to CVG on a commercial airline, and the company 747 to Asia...

Right, capatinv?!!

Clear as mud, everyone?!!

Good luck...