Atlas Air Hiring
06-28-2014 | 11:22 AM
#8882
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STOOGE!!!!!!!!!
How many times have I told you, "if you leave yourself open...."
Seriously...this isn't necessarily a bad place for the discussion. It needs to be repeated because some folks missed it.
This isn't RJ flying...or DAL...UAL...Airways...FedEx...UPS...this IS different. It's not schedule driven, it's customer driven and they can change flights faster than poop through a goose. And they do. Many times a day.
Should the company do a better job of scheduling? Yep. We all know who the biggest headache(s) there is (are). Their goal is to get to the end of the shift, not be efficient. What's new...it happens everywhere.
To the potential newbie...you know the old line, "at my last carrier, we did...?" Well, there's one here too..."this is the life you have chosen..."
A lot has changed for the better since Mikey said that many years ago and more will change. Don't come here for the rating. It's not going to help you land a job anywhere unless you have a bunch of PIC with it. Don't think you have the market cornered on how to fix things. The folks who have been here for awhile have many years of other airline union experience before coming here, so assuming that you have all the answers only means you don't know the questions.
Understand the history of the place. Listen. ASK questions. Plenty of older heads will take the time to explain it so you can understand it.
Understand that for all intents and purposes, this is a first contract. Anyone who expects it to have as much curing as a 40-60 year old legacy contract has no concept of contracts. Give them a wide berth.
Most of all. Despite the headaches, the job is what you make it. You will get to see and do stuff that legacy guys will never do and can only dream of. IF that is what you want, jump in. If what you want is a 3/4 schedule, reserve for 15 or so years...then this isn't where you want to be.
And if you don't want those things, take the honorable course and stay where you are and let someone who needs and truly wants the job to step in.
YMMV
How many times have I told you, "if you leave yourself open...."
Seriously...this isn't necessarily a bad place for the discussion. It needs to be repeated because some folks missed it.
This isn't RJ flying...or DAL...UAL...Airways...FedEx...UPS...this IS different. It's not schedule driven, it's customer driven and they can change flights faster than poop through a goose. And they do. Many times a day.
Should the company do a better job of scheduling? Yep. We all know who the biggest headache(s) there is (are). Their goal is to get to the end of the shift, not be efficient. What's new...it happens everywhere.
To the potential newbie...you know the old line, "at my last carrier, we did...?" Well, there's one here too..."this is the life you have chosen..."
A lot has changed for the better since Mikey said that many years ago and more will change. Don't come here for the rating. It's not going to help you land a job anywhere unless you have a bunch of PIC with it. Don't think you have the market cornered on how to fix things. The folks who have been here for awhile have many years of other airline union experience before coming here, so assuming that you have all the answers only means you don't know the questions.
Understand the history of the place. Listen. ASK questions. Plenty of older heads will take the time to explain it so you can understand it.
Understand that for all intents and purposes, this is a first contract. Anyone who expects it to have as much curing as a 40-60 year old legacy contract has no concept of contracts. Give them a wide berth.
Most of all. Despite the headaches, the job is what you make it. You will get to see and do stuff that legacy guys will never do and can only dream of. IF that is what you want, jump in. If what you want is a 3/4 schedule, reserve for 15 or so years...then this isn't where you want to be.
And if you don't want those things, take the honorable course and stay where you are and let someone who needs and truly wants the job to step in.
YMMV
As for reserve for 15 years, plan on being treated as a reserve until we plug the many holes acknowledged in this contract are closed hopefully in 16. Company wants flexibility we should have rules that are commensurate and compensate with give and take. Company is allowed to run all over the contract yet we do nothing but hold the line and file grievances. If they want AQP and the like bend them over for collective abuses. make it benefit us exclusively for once, jeez have they not bought enough stock back! I know once we have 100% solidarity we'll hold the cards...really!?
Tired of the excuses for being outfoxed that is all. I wish all those well trying to get here and for those elected to maintain the balance.
06-28-2014 | 12:52 PM
#8883
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With regards to hiring, according to an update on the June 25th P2P phone call a volunteer (whom I trust) indicated that the company cancelled the interviews for late June (maybe postponed would be a better term?), due to HR being overwhelmed (which tracks with other info I've seen). However, HR is still planning on continuing to hire.
Also from the same source, Jeff Carlson told the latest New Hire class in MIA that the company is in "a good spot" and will continue to hire for the foreseeable future. He also said there are additional business opportunities we can't get right now because we don't have enough crews (and the amount of open time trips we're all seeing seems to validate the lack of crews info).
So, if you are considering applying, or have begun the process, I'd say you stand a good chance of hearing something in the next couple months.
My apologies to all for this hiring related interruption. Now back to your regularly scheduled flame war.
Also from the same source, Jeff Carlson told the latest New Hire class in MIA that the company is in "a good spot" and will continue to hire for the foreseeable future. He also said there are additional business opportunities we can't get right now because we don't have enough crews (and the amount of open time trips we're all seeing seems to validate the lack of crews info).
So, if you are considering applying, or have begun the process, I'd say you stand a good chance of hearing something in the next couple months.
My apologies to all for this hiring related interruption. Now back to your regularly scheduled flame war.
I'm guessing that they're expecting to lose so many over the next year that they'll have trouble keeping up.
06-28-2014 | 01:37 PM
#8884
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Joined: May 2006
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From: 767 CA
Rumor I heard was only 14 in the pool now. New class starting tomorrow with another scheduled in July. Next interviews in August.
I'm just a mushroom, so take that for what you paid for it.
Also, lots of suits from up north wandering the halls of the training center lately. So, we all suspect something's up...
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I'm just a mushroom, so take that for what you paid for it.
Also, lots of suits from up north wandering the halls of the training center lately. So, we all suspect something's up...
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06-28-2014 | 01:58 PM
#8885
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Rumor I heard was only 14 in the pool now. New class starting tomorrow with another scheduled in July. Next interviews in August.
I'm just a mushroom, so take that for what you paid for it.
Also, lots of suits from up north wandering the halls of the training center lately. So, we all suspect something's up...
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I'm just a mushroom, so take that for what you paid for it.
Also, lots of suits from up north wandering the halls of the training center lately. So, we all suspect something's up...
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06-28-2014 | 04:00 PM
#8886
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Joined: May 2006
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From: 767 CA
Carlson told our new hire class they were very close to a deal on the 777. But, they had been close before and not able to seal it. So it could go either way. Basically, it sounded like they were in the final stages of negotiating something with two potential clients.
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06-28-2014 | 05:02 PM
#8887
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Carlson told our new hire class they were very close to a deal on the 777. But, they had been close before and not able to seal it. So it could go either way. Basically, it sounded like they were in the final stages of negotiating something with two potential clients.
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06-28-2014 | 05:31 PM
#8888
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Joined: Apr 2009
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Jay of course we are good and most of us enjoy spirited conversations, me included. No worries!
As for reserve for 15 years, plan on being treated as a reserve until we plug the many holes acknowledged in this contract are closed hopefully in 16. Company wants flexibility we should have rules that are commensurate and compensate with give and take. Company is allowed to run all over the contract yet we do nothing but hold the line and file grievances. If they want AQP and the like bend them over for collective abuses. make it benefit us exclusively for once, jeez have they not bought enough stock back! I know once we have 100% solidarity we'll hold the cards...really!?
Tired of the excuses for being outfoxed that is all. I wish all those well trying to get here and for those elected to maintain the balance.
As for reserve for 15 years, plan on being treated as a reserve until we plug the many holes acknowledged in this contract are closed hopefully in 16. Company wants flexibility we should have rules that are commensurate and compensate with give and take. Company is allowed to run all over the contract yet we do nothing but hold the line and file grievances. If they want AQP and the like bend them over for collective abuses. make it benefit us exclusively for once, jeez have they not bought enough stock back! I know once we have 100% solidarity we'll hold the cards...really!?
Tired of the excuses for being outfoxed that is all. I wish all those well trying to get here and for those elected to maintain the balance.
If what you want is a 3/4 schedule, reserve for 15 or so years...then this isn't where you want to be.
Assuming that this is the first contract you have worked under, it's important to understand that first contracts (and the JCBA is a first for the combined groups)...fall into one of two categories. They either address pay or work rules. Substantial pay increases were made and some work rule changes were attained under the arbitrator. Which means the next agreement builds on the pay, while further tackling work rules and loopholes that are found during the contract period.
While no one likes having to follow the grievance route, it's the law under the RLA. The other option is no legal redress and allowing the company to do even more of whatever they want.
Something everyone here should keep in mind as there is one political party who wants to strip you of even those meager protections and allow the company to move the jobs offshore.
For anyone who doesn't get that, ask the senior guys about a little place called AACS. And what the union did...and how long it took...to end it.
Bottom line. If the union hadn't stopped it? You wouldn't be here.
06-28-2014 | 09:13 PM
#8889
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From: MD-11
Carlson told our new hire class they were very close to a deal on the 777. But, they had been close before and not able to seal it. So it could go either way. Basically, it sounded like they were in the final stages of negotiating something with two potential clients.
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06-29-2014 | 06:43 AM
#8890
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Joined: Sep 2005
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That's the dilemma for them. If we were to get just $10K each out of a new deal, that would cost the company $10 Mil. What would the new work bring in in profit? IF less than $10 Mil, it ain't worth it for them in the long run. And they still face 2016.
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