Good to hear. It will pick back up, this year is just a bit wild with political stuff undoubtedly affecting the economy. Also it’s currently summer and the legacies generally stop hiring during the season. Good news, you can’t stop all the retirements that are coming so hiring will indeed pick back up. In the meantime I would say keep up dating your apps and attend the big career fair functions if you can.

 

I would bet that it’s not about the economy, but lack of deliveries. Right now, that’s the case for UA. Massive hiring to happen next year so standby for that. I believe DL is really just to replace retirements and some growth. AA mainly retirements, but someone with better knowledge might be able to chime in?

Regardless, I appreciate everyone’s insight on the question I asked!

 

AA is growing, all deliveries for the moment aren’t replacing something currently being flown. That could easily change though

 

Yea we have some good younger or less senior pilots that love it here and get what we’re trying to do. It will be sad to see them go. Better retirement will certainly make them think twice if a legacy calls.

 

What is it we are trying to do here?

 

It must be painful waiting for that call.

 

not as painful as giving up before you even try

 

I was thinking the same thing. What is it you guys are trying to do? Think twice if a legacy calls? We all fly people in airplanes to various locations. Some are lucky enough to do it for a lot more money, with better work rules, better support, and better schedules. Why would someone stay at factory x and do the same crap for less than factory y.

We’re blue collar workers. We’re not a non-profit that’s going to change humanity for the better with some miraculous discovery/invention. I know nothing about Breeze and what you’re “trying to do”, but that type of comment frustrates me as, IMO, it plays into management kicking cans down the road (not just yours, but any management in this industry). “Just hang in there, we’ll eventually give you what you deserve.”

You have a technical skill that is transferable to gain maximum reward for you and your family. No one (or idea) in this industry is going to be so transformative that it’s worth putting up with garbage to support some pie in the sky idea.

This isn’t against Breeze as I know nothing about it other than the call sign. If it works for you and your family - awesome. Stay 40 years and be happy. But espousing some group think between pilots and management… We are labor.

 

There’s also a chunk of breezy bois that are patiently awaiting a merger with UAL/DL/WN. Go back a few pages and you’ll see that discussion.

Breeze mgmt has made it clear on multiple pilot calls that they can’t pay what legacies or even what JetBlue pays and stay in business, they have also made it clear that they don’t want to do direct contribution 401K, they want to do just profit sharing instead. This isn’t a knock on Breeze, if anything they are learning from B6/NK that you can’t pay anywhere close to legacy rates with 17% DC and charge $40 for a seat and expect to make money. If you come to breeze with that in mind, and live in base you’ll have a much better time.

 

it’s the DN effect. I saw it while I was there. He serves the BlueJuice and guys chug it up. He didn’t come across as a bad guy but if you think he gives a damn about pilots you’re sadly mistaken. Breeze isn’t doing anything special. They’re just stealing allegiant’s playbook, hence all the former G4 guys running the company. Now go ask G4 pilots how their contract negotiations are going? Management will fight tooth and nail in order to keep their second highest cost down! I’ll quote TP’s famous words “we are a regional plus” and they’ll keep regional plus salaries and benefits until they’re forced to upgrade. The good news is that the legacies will still need tons of pilots so there should still be some movement. But if B6 and NK continue to struggle , that could make things way different.