IBT Scare Tactics at NAC
#22
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Joined APC: May 2014
Position: B-767
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Isn't that the whole point of work rules, as spelled out in a union contract? If you don't like the rules, reject the TA and start talking again. Honestly, do you even know how this works? Don't blame the IBT for your lack of involvement in the whole process.
#23
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#24
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That's funny....the whole process? Like the grievance process? With no punitive damages and the company playing dumb and told to stop violating the contract so they can turn around and do it all again? Why because they can! A contract means nothing unless you are in sec 6 and have some nuts to park airplanes. Hold out for EVERTHING! It could be 10yrs or more you are stuck with this disaster. The RLA has almost no time limits. No favors no waivers!
#25
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
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Even if they did, so what, I'm sure there is language in the new contract that spells out what happens tot he pilots displaced. I would bet the vast majority would just go back tot he 737 in HNL.
Really seems like you are just mad that there are fences and you can't jump right into the 767 in HNL. Well, just remember that 767 was flying out of HNL 3 years ago, long before your management even thought about a merge. and the fence works both ways, I know there are guys in HNL that want to go to MIA.
#26
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That's funny....the whole process? Like the grievance process? With no punitive damages and the company playing dumb and told to stop violating the contract so they can turn around and do it all again? Why because they can! A contract means nothing unless you are in sec 6 and have some nuts to park airplanes. Hold out for EVERTHING! It could be 10yrs or more you are stuck with this disaster. The RLA has almost no time limits. No favors no waivers!
If you think your grievance process is a joke, whose fault is that? I have filed many grievances over the years and every time I ended up with a check in my hand. If you are not getting the same results then time to replace your reps. You have to fight for things in your contract, the company is not going to just hand you stuff because you ask politely.
#27
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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? Of coarse the company can open and close bases and move airplanes, happens all the time. Do you really think the company is going to move the 767 based in HNL some place else? Why?, they make good money with that route, if anything they should be adding planes.
Even if they did, so what, I'm sure there is language in the new contract that spells out what happens tot he pilots displaced. I would bet the vast majority would just go back tot he 737 in HNL.
Really seems like you are just mad that there are fences and you can't jump right into the 767 in HNL. Well, just remember that 767 was flying out of HNL 3 years ago, long before your management even thought about a merge. and the fence works both ways, I know there are guys in HNL that want to go to MIA.
Even if they did, so what, I'm sure there is language in the new contract that spells out what happens tot he pilots displaced. I would bet the vast majority would just go back tot he 737 in HNL.
Really seems like you are just mad that there are fences and you can't jump right into the 767 in HNL. Well, just remember that 767 was flying out of HNL 3 years ago, long before your management even thought about a merge. and the fence works both ways, I know there are guys in HNL that want to go to MIA.
#28
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 285
FALSE! Coconut is correct. While NAC has only had a 767 for 6 months the HNL route has been flying for 3+ years as branded Aloha Air Cargo work. It was subcontracted out to ATI/ABX.
#30
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Don’t really see how AAC guys are somehow connected to flying that was done by another airline, with different pilots. The paint job is pretty irrelevant.
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