MEMA300

Still think it is a stupid move. Why excess out of the 727 S/O seat to then make it fat again. Seem smart to you?

RedeyeAV8r

It will reduce the amount of passover pay they are currently paying. Many Jr 727 S/O are currently getting NB FO passover and in some cases WB. Not to mention that if we are truly over manned, why not have the most over manned seats be the lowest on the pay scale?

I won't argue that the company could have handled the last 4 postings better. They are doing what they are doing in an attempt to get the seniority in a more realistic alginment. Because they are paying passover pay to many S/O's.

After this excess is through there will be fewer folks getting passover. Folks will need to re-evaluate the decision of Pay vs QOL. My opinion is MGT full well knows what the all the excess training costs that this is going to generate. If they are willing to absorb these costs they either hope to recup some in reduction of passover or they see a negative trend for the next few years, or a little of both and are trying to get ahead of it.

If OIL stays high and revenues stay flat, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what comes next.

BusDawg

WE'RE DOOMED! WE'RE ALL DOOMED!

MEMA300

Give it a rest. I am not doomed. Already got my widebody capt slot.

MEMA300

FCIF stated that the earliest hiring would crank back up is 2010. They will barely have everybody trained from these excess bids by then. The only reason to do what they are doing, which is massive realignment, is to get ready to furlough. IMHO.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE

Could y'all share with us non-purples exactly what's going on over there in the Fredland?
Is it 150 captains or FOs or mixed that are getting displaced? Are they all going to the FE positions? Is it truly doom & gloom feeling over there right now or just a temporary slow down? Any talk of bribing/paying off/pushing off the cliff etc. over 60 FEs into leaving?

Btw, when you use initials PC is his first name Paul by any chance?

MD11Fr8Dog

Yes, VP Flt Ops!

Gooch121

Redeye...let me see if I got this straight. Jr 727 s/o are gonna excess off the panel into their passover pay seat only to be (in a subsequent excess bid) excessed out of the passover seat back onto the 727 panel. After all they are Jr 727 s/o, where else can they go?

RedeyeAV8r

The FCIF says there WILL not be hiring before 2010. it never said they intended or planned to hire in 2010.
BTW, MGT could just as easily announced this excess and a furlough at the same time if they really intneded to furlough.

Time will tell. The economy and revenues will dictate the future.
But as for manning it is simple math. If we have too many pilots in specific seats, it makes sense to overstaff or force the excesses to the lowest paying seats. But that is just a line dawgs opinion.

vschip

That's what I was thinking, to furlough now, massive training backlog to get the f/o seats manned, esp in ANC. Excess bid, get the junior guys in the most junior seat(727 s/o, not sure how HKG f/o's would work into this), then furlough, no training backlog, since the training cycle will be complete and all seats manned properly. I hope I'm wrong, sure as hell wouldn't be the first time.