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10-25-2009 | 03:38 PM
#61
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Of coarse crossing a picket line is different , it is a much bigger deal than donating an hour of sick time. Do you understand the concept of "Unity". The 33% that did not participate showed UPS just how unified we are. I know there are many pilots here that can't afford to materially participate in the MOU, however every single pilot here with a couple of exceptions could afford to donate 1 hour of sick time. 33% of us chose not to. In my mind those 33% are a threat to our unity and I will have to take that into account the next time we have a strike vote. If 33% can't even afford to give up $100 to $200 after tax for the sake of unity do I trust them to potentially walk away from their job if we are seeking self help.
10-25-2009 | 05:34 PM
#64
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"Of course you did. Rationalize it any way you wish."
You'll have to explain further how not working and not getting paid rationalizes squat. I'm sure you'll come up with some totally baseless stuff to prove your agenda. Knock yerself out....
"If it works for you, great."
Yeah, it worked for me. It was great. I took the summer off and didn't get paid for it. Any YAhoo's who are going to come on here and tell me that was bad thing to do, or that it's a bad idea going forward, is gonna have me knocking at their door per post.
I'll do it again next summer at the first chance to sign up. I see the MOU as a concession from UPS which allows some freedoms other airlines have with respect to scheduling flexibility. Some of us appreciate the ability to take the time off without pay that other airlines have. If you are going to argue that's a bad thing for the IPA, then you'll have one senior ONT Capt looking to counter the BS.
For the life of me, I can't see the downside of extra time off without pay.
You'll have to explain further how not working and not getting paid rationalizes squat. I'm sure you'll come up with some totally baseless stuff to prove your agenda. Knock yerself out....
"If it works for you, great."
Yeah, it worked for me. It was great. I took the summer off and didn't get paid for it. Any YAhoo's who are going to come on here and tell me that was bad thing to do, or that it's a bad idea going forward, is gonna have me knocking at their door per post.
I'll do it again next summer at the first chance to sign up. I see the MOU as a concession from UPS which allows some freedoms other airlines have with respect to scheduling flexibility. Some of us appreciate the ability to take the time off without pay that other airlines have. If you are going to argue that's a bad thing for the IPA, then you'll have one senior ONT Capt looking to counter the BS.
For the life of me, I can't see the downside of extra time off without pay.
10-25-2009 | 05:53 PM
#65
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From: DC-8 756/767
"Of course you did. Rationalize it any way you wish."
You'll have to explain further how not working and not getting paid rationalizes squat. I'm sure you'll come up with some totally baseless stuff to prove your agenda. Knock yerself out....
"If it works for you, great."
Yeah, it worked for me. It was great. I took the summer off and didn't get paid for it. Any YAhoo's who are going to come on here and tell me that was bad thing to do, or that it's a bad idea going forward, is gonna have me knocking at their door per post.
I'll do it again next summer at the first chance to sign up. I see the MOU as a concession from UPS which allows some freedoms other airlines have with respect to scheduling flexibility. Some of us appreciate the ability to take the time off without pay that other airlines have. If you are going to argue that's a bad thing for the IPA, then you'll have one senior ONT Capt looking to counter the BS.
For the life of me, I can't see the downside of extra time off without pay.
You'll have to explain further how not working and not getting paid rationalizes squat. I'm sure you'll come up with some totally baseless stuff to prove your agenda. Knock yerself out....
"If it works for you, great."
Yeah, it worked for me. It was great. I took the summer off and didn't get paid for it. Any YAhoo's who are going to come on here and tell me that was bad thing to do, or that it's a bad idea going forward, is gonna have me knocking at their door per post.
I'll do it again next summer at the first chance to sign up. I see the MOU as a concession from UPS which allows some freedoms other airlines have with respect to scheduling flexibility. Some of us appreciate the ability to take the time off without pay that other airlines have. If you are going to argue that's a bad thing for the IPA, then you'll have one senior ONT Capt looking to counter the BS.
For the life of me, I can't see the downside of extra time off without pay.
10-25-2009 | 05:57 PM
#66
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Actually thinking about it I am a little selfish. I chose not to give UPS any of my sick bank because I would get nothing in return. I chose instead to take a a couple of payperiods per year off and have UPS give me money to do so.
10-25-2009 | 06:23 PM
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From: Leftof longitudinal
"Of course you did. Rationalize it any way you wish."
You'll have to explain further how not working and not getting paid rationalizes squat. I'm sure you'll come up with some totally baseless stuff to prove your agenda. Knock yerself out....
"If it works for you, great."
Yeah, it worked for me. It was great. I took the summer off and didn't get paid for it. Any YAhoo's who are going to come on here and tell me that was bad thing to do, or that it's a bad idea going forward, is gonna have me knocking at their door per post.
I'll do it again next summer at the first chance to sign up. I see the MOU as a concession from UPS which allows some freedoms other airlines have with respect to scheduling flexibility. Some of us appreciate the ability to take the time off without pay that other airlines have. If you are going to argue that's a bad thing for the IPA, then you'll have one senior ONT Capt looking to counter the BS.
For the life of me, I can't see the downside of extra time off without pay.
You'll have to explain further how not working and not getting paid rationalizes squat. I'm sure you'll come up with some totally baseless stuff to prove your agenda. Knock yerself out....
"If it works for you, great."
Yeah, it worked for me. It was great. I took the summer off and didn't get paid for it. Any YAhoo's who are going to come on here and tell me that was bad thing to do, or that it's a bad idea going forward, is gonna have me knocking at their door per post.
I'll do it again next summer at the first chance to sign up. I see the MOU as a concession from UPS which allows some freedoms other airlines have with respect to scheduling flexibility. Some of us appreciate the ability to take the time off without pay that other airlines have. If you are going to argue that's a bad thing for the IPA, then you'll have one senior ONT Capt looking to counter the BS.
For the life of me, I can't see the downside of extra time off without pay.
<g>, Have to disagree with your assessment. You were paid 12 hours per pay period TO NOT WORK ( for you, at least $2834) or $100/day to spend time any way you choose. As a CPT, You were paid a minimum via vacation and sick bank accruals (collectible in cash the following year). Oh, and don't worry about the $1600+ COBRA payment, IPA negotiated that UPS will provide medical coverage at regular line pilot contractual rates. IMO, $2800+ medical to NOT WORK is something I hope we can place in a future contract <g>.
Easy. I don't waste my time examining other peoples lives. Their lives are none of my business. Is that too hard a concept for you?
The MOU is voluntary. Period.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion(s). Broadcasting them here by using terms like "selfish and greedy" ensure that the MOU will divide rather than unite.
The MOU is voluntary. Period.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion(s). Broadcasting them here by using terms like "selfish and greedy" ensure that the MOU will divide rather than unite.
10-25-2009 | 06:32 PM
#68
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From: Leftof longitudinal
"Of course you did. Rationalize it any way you wish."
You'll have to explain further how not working and not getting paid rationalizes squat. I'm sure you'll come up with some totally baseless stuff to prove your agenda. Knock yerself out....
"If it works for you, great."
Yeah, it worked for me. It was great. I took the summer off and didn't get paid for it. Any YAhoo's who are going to come on here and tell me that was bad thing to do, or that it's a bad idea going forward, is gonna have me knocking at their door per post.
I'll do it again next summer at the first chance to sign up. I see the MOU as a concession from UPS which allows some freedoms other airlines have with respect to scheduling flexibility. Some of us appreciate the ability to take the time off without pay that other airlines have. If you are going to argue that's a bad thing for the IPA, then you'll have one senior ONT Capt looking to counter the BS.
For the life of me, I can't see the downside of extra time off without pay.
You'll have to explain further how not working and not getting paid rationalizes squat. I'm sure you'll come up with some totally baseless stuff to prove your agenda. Knock yerself out....
"If it works for you, great."
Yeah, it worked for me. It was great. I took the summer off and didn't get paid for it. Any YAhoo's who are going to come on here and tell me that was bad thing to do, or that it's a bad idea going forward, is gonna have me knocking at their door per post.
I'll do it again next summer at the first chance to sign up. I see the MOU as a concession from UPS which allows some freedoms other airlines have with respect to scheduling flexibility. Some of us appreciate the ability to take the time off without pay that other airlines have. If you are going to argue that's a bad thing for the IPA, then you'll have one senior ONT Capt looking to counter the BS.
For the life of me, I can't see the downside of extra time off without pay.
<g>, Have to disagree with your assessment. You were paid 12 hours per pay period TO NOT WORK ( for you, at least $2834) or $100/day to spend time any way you choose. As a CPT, You were paid a minimum via vacation and sick bank (collectible in cash the following year). Oh, and don't worry about the $1600+ COBRA payment, IPA negotiated that UPS will provide medical coverage at regular line pilot contractual rates. IMO, $2800+ medical to NOT WORK is something I hope we can place in a future contract <g>.
10-26-2009 | 09:15 AM
#69
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From: 757/767 FO
10-26-2009 | 09:16 AM
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