I think FedEx sick bank goes up to 650 hrs, and you can make it up at any time......I think ours is up to 148 this year...so I agree it needs to be built up for those unforseen situations.......

 

Nighthawk/757upspilot,
I posted on this when it came out when the question of hours came up. The confusion came about when originally announced that one could contribute 10 hours sick. Actually, the agreement was any amount. Also, some of the amendments were signed at a later date. Just filling in the confusion points. In any case, the info given out was any number of hours. Apparently not consistent because some seemed to hear it and folks did contribute only one hour, and others heard ten and never revisited the issue.
The volume od info was coming out at a high rate daily and it was difficult to stay current on the latest.
SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE VOLUNTARY JOB PROTECTION
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING Section 10.
"In addition to all of the other options outlined above, crewmembers shall have the right to volunteer by 8:00 a.m. EST on June 2,2009 to forfeit any number of hours contained within the crewmember's existing sick leave bank. Such forfeitures shall be made on June 8,2009."

I liked the voluntary aspect, but the volunteers need to accept that reality for what it is, voluntary. I volunteered and have no animosity towards non volunteers. Gave sick time too, but that was my attempt to make 2009 numbers. The reason 2009 numbers were high IMO, was that the IPA had to fund the benefits paid to those on MOU leave upfront. Remeber, UPS was going to make savings, so we voluntarily also needed to pick up our own benefits expenses.

 

It does build up. Just don't spend it. Unless FedEx builds sick time at a faster rate then us its the same in the end. Just stick your sick check in the bank and use it as a emergency/strike fund.

Why not control the money yourself instead of letting the company use it for decades.

 

Salty. They did a poor job of providing information on the sick leave donation. Now its being used on this forum by some to show how some wouldn't even give one hour of sick leave. That was my only point.

 

Which is the reason we have the buyout every year. It does drive up the cost of the mutual aid plan because people hit the plan quicker than they would if there was a larger number of hours in the bank. When the mutual aid was set up it didn't cover everything it does now.
Then there is the part about keeping your spouse away from the check every year

 

Unfortunately, the words used to describe certain members of our group have been skewed. I believe the frustration that exists is not based in a sense of entitlement, preference for socialism, or communism but rather, 30% feel no responsibility. There is no reason for anyone to freely contribute their earned wage or sacrifice sick-leave except responsibility to the greater-good and the appearance, at least, of a solidified union. Having written this, there is always that "10%" or 30% in this case.

 

We can go back to the entitlement arguement if you would like. The union initially got a less than 50% of the pilots to agree to the MOU via the survey, the union decided to proceed with it anyway, they ended up with 70% participating in some way, now people are unhappy that we didn't get 100% participation and the people who indicated they wouldn't participate in the first survey are now being skewered.

 

You are attempting to assert a responsibility where none exists! Of course you are espousing socialism. Quite disingenuous of you to deny.

from Wikipedia:
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Collectivism is a term used to describe any moral, political, or social outlook, that emphasizes the interdependence of every human in some collective group and the priority of group goals over individual goals. Collectivists focus on community and society, and seek to give priority to group goals over individual goals.

Collectivism is widely seen as being opposed to individualism.

Individualism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that stresses independence and self-reliance. Individualists promote the exercise of one's goals and desires, while opposing most external interference upon one's choices, whether by society, or any other group or institution. Individualism is opposed to collectivism, which stresses that communal, community, group, societal, familial or national goals should take priority over individual goals.

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So, you see, this really is a difference in politics (and by extension) the set of values you live your life by.

 

It kind of defeats the purpose of being in a union then. It does crack me up that most pilots are against unions except when it comes to themselves because they realize they are better off as individuals when the collective of the union is all pulling in one direction for the betterment of the entire group.

 

The union can defeat its own purpose by attempting to do more than is possible.