UPS's BM video
10-24-2009 | 04:30 PM
#51
Freightmama!
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From: 757/767 FO
How can you say it's not anyone else's business if their decision to volunteer or not volunteer will affect others. I can see your point in a way but don't be shocked with the consequences (ie. being looked at as greedy and selfish).
10-24-2009 | 04:50 PM
#53
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The fate of the group.....that is a bigger discussion best had with a frosty beverage in hand
10-25-2009 | 08:41 AM
#54
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Does anyone here understand the concept of "voluntary"?
10-25-2009 | 08:56 AM
#55
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The MOU is voluntary. Period.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion(s). Broadcasting them here by using terms like "selfish and greedy" ensure that the MOU will divide rather than unite.
10-25-2009 | 11:21 AM
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Of coarse crossing a picket line is different , it is a much bigger deal than donating an hour of sick time. Do you understand the concept of "Unity". The 33% that did not participate showed UPS just how unified we are. I know there are many pilots here that can't afford to materially participate in the MOU, however every single pilot here with a couple of exceptions could afford to donate 1 hour of sick time. 33% of us chose not to. In my mind those 33% are a threat to our unity and I will have to take that into account the next time we have a strike vote. If 33% can't even afford to give up $100 to $200 after tax for the sake of unity do I trust them to potentially walk away from their job if we are seeking self help.
Last edited by Naven; 10-25-2009 at 01:33 PM.
10-25-2009 | 12:06 PM
#57
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From: fins to the left, fins to the right
Easy. I don't waste my time examining other peoples lives. Their lives are none of my business. Is that too hard a concept for you?
The MOU is voluntary. Period.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion(s). Broadcasting them here by using terms like "selfish and greedy" ensure that the MOU will divide rather than unite.
The MOU is voluntary. Period.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion(s). Broadcasting them here by using terms like "selfish and greedy" ensure that the MOU will divide rather than unite.
10-25-2009 | 02:18 PM
#58
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From: F/O
Of coarse crossing a picket line is different , it is a much bigger deal than donating an hour of sick time. Do you understand the concept of "Unity". The 33% that did not participate showed UPS just how unified we are. I know there are many pilots here that can't afford to materially participate in the MOU, however every single pilot here with a couple of exceptions could afford to donate 1 hour of sick time. 33% of us chose not to. In my mind those 33% are a threat to our unity and I will have to take that into account the next time we have a strike vote. If 33% can't even afford to give up $100 to $200 after tax for the sake of unity do I trust them to potentially walk away from their job if we are seeking self help.
just so we have the facts straight.
10-25-2009 | 03:08 PM
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Of coarse crossing a picket line is different , it is a much bigger deal than donating an hour of sick time. Do you understand the concept of "Unity". The 33% that did not participate showed UPS just how unified we are. I know there are many pilots here that can't afford to materially participate in the MOU, however every single pilot here with a couple of exceptions could afford to donate 1 hour of sick time. 33% of us chose not to. In my mind those 33% are a threat to our unity and I will have to take that into account the next time we have a strike vote. If 33% can't even afford to give up $100 to $200 after tax for the sake of unity do I trust them to potentially walk away from their job if we are seeking self help.
Here's a bulletin for you...we don't scare UPS. We entertain them.
What we have shown is that when threatened, we will puke up "savings", (aka "money") while our (profitable) company puts another $500 million in the bank.
Just wait until they really start to squeeze us in 2012...how much will you be willing to give then? If the company furloughs anyway, what will you be willing to give up to get them back? Pay? Benefits? Work rules?
Believe me, I think it is admirable that we are willing to sacrifice to keep our members on the job. But we should understand the potential ramifications of our altruism.
10-25-2009 | 03:32 PM
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Unity? Oh, please.
Here's a bulletin for you...we don't scare UPS. We entertain them.
What we have shown is that when threatened, we will puke up "savings", (aka "money") while our (profitable) company puts another $500 million in the bank.
Just wait until they really start to squeeze us in 2012...how much will you be willing to give then? If the company furloughs anyway, what will you be willing to give up to get them back? Pay? Benefits? Work rules?
Believe me, I think it is admirable that we are willing to sacrifice to keep our members on the job. But we should understand the potential ramifications of our altruism.
Here's a bulletin for you...we don't scare UPS. We entertain them.
What we have shown is that when threatened, we will puke up "savings", (aka "money") while our (profitable) company puts another $500 million in the bank.
Just wait until they really start to squeeze us in 2012...how much will you be willing to give then? If the company furloughs anyway, what will you be willing to give up to get them back? Pay? Benefits? Work rules?
Believe me, I think it is admirable that we are willing to sacrifice to keep our members on the job. But we should understand the potential ramifications of our altruism.
Besides the obvious reasons of avoiding a furlough for the 300, my selfish reason why I want the MOU to continue is I really enjoyed this summer and I am looking forward to the rest of my JS an VLOA bid periods. I still don't get why so many here that continually compain about UPS don't get that this is an awesome oppurtunity to take some time away from work.
The MOU was an IPA invention not UPS's. Unless you think BM and the entire EB were in on some kind of conspiracy with UPS you should see the MOU as a huge benefit for all of the UPS pilots.
Last edited by Naven; 10-25-2009 at 05:44 PM.
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