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Old 02-05-2013 | 02:22 PM
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Agree 100%. Lanyards, pledge pins are "Symbolism over Substance." The folks on the other side of the negotiating table respect the later.
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Lets get real, the largest ALPA supporters all wearing their lanyards, were the ones calling for the furlough, flying large carryover and picking up extra flying during 4a2b. Actions speak louder than words. He11, the the most vocal calling for the furlough was the previous MEC rep. If you can't get a previous MEC rep to support his fellow crew members, what does wearing a pin accomplish.

Question for you Albie, did you ever fly carryover or pick up flying during 4a2b.

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Old 02-05-2013 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FLMD11CAPT
My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me.
What do they say about flying DPs?
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Old 02-05-2013 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
You're not seriously equating an ALPA lanyard to wearing a uniform in the service, are you?

A more appropriate analogy might be this: we already wear our pilot uniforms with pride. What we have yet to earn is the right to wear a unit patch that shows our success and unity as a team on the battlefield. Like the scene from "Band of Brothers," where the replacements were wearing their Unit Citations for Normandy, though they hadn't even been in combat yet.
Nope, more like this.

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Old 02-05-2013 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PicklePausePull

Maybe if we can convince our fellow ALPA members to act like a unified team through their actions, we can then wear our lanyards with the pride that demonstrates we've achieved true unity of action.
So what's your plan on this one? What are you doing to make it happen?

I'm asking seriously because you can't be bothered to wear a lanyard yet obviously think there is a substantive way to unify the crew force.

I think for a first step let's just start with the lanyard.
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Old 02-05-2013 | 03:29 PM
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Something as easy as wearing a lanyard and pin that is provided to you at no extra cost to you, that you are only asked to wear at work and you just can't do it. I just don't get it.
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Old 02-05-2013 | 03:33 PM
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So, let me see if I've got this straight. We have some "individuals" that won't follow our union leadership's simple request to wear ALPA lanyards and the new pin during our negotiations...But, these same noncomformists think that the company is going to believe that they will follow our leadership's orders if/when we get to self-help?


I'd prefer to show unity, in any way possible, to demonstrate to the company that they really don't want to enter self-help.

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Old 02-05-2013 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
Something as easy as wearing a lanyard and pin that is provided to you at no extra cost to you, that you are only asked to wear at work and you just can't do it. I just don't get it.
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Old 02-05-2013 | 03:54 PM
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So what's your plan on this one? What are you doing to make it happen?

I'm asking seriously because you can't be bothered to wear a lanyard yet obviously think there is a substantive way to unify the crew force.

I think for a first step let's just start with the lanyard.
I think rats point is the first step ought to be not flying DPs. If we were sufficiently united to not do the things that hurt the crewforce then lanyards and pins would be superfluous.

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Old 02-05-2013 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I think rats point is the first step ought to be not flying DPs. If we were sufficiently united to not do the things that hurt the crewforce then lanyards and pins would be superfluos.
I agree. I just want to know how anyone thinks that's going to happen. He's talking about a grandiose paradigm shift. One that could only be accomplished either through years of cultural change amongst the pilots or...... New rules, aka a new contract.

I prefer to keep it simple and wear the lanyard and pin.

But if he has a plan for building unity, outside of our currently publicized Unity initiative, then I'd like to hear it. Too many criticisms on this board, never any solutions.
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Old 02-05-2013 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I think rats point is the first step ought to be not flying DPs. If we were sufficiently united to not do the things that hurt the crewforce then lanyards and pins would be superfluos.
Precisely. Few more suggestions: a massive email barrage from all hands for those who do fly DP's? And how about making life tough on the road for those who fly DP's..."Get your own &^%$ coffee!"

How about a leadership that won't shove another FDA down our throat because it's the "Best we can get," (of course here we are years later using negotiating capital to reform the POS's, just like the 32% said we'd have to...it went senior my #@$).

Unity is action on the line. DP's effect many pilots here. The FDA issues have already gotten four pilots fired. Flying DP's is a slap in the face to fellow members, and the PSIT members who work hard to ID these trips. Yet, every bid period they are flown by lanyard wearing, pledge pin adorning members without repercussion.

Real leadership deals with real problems. lanyards are a fantasy, feel good move that pretends we have unity, while the real issues continue unabated.

Ok, so what, I'm wearing my lanyard...now what?
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