There's more to life than just money boys and girls. As a good friend says "pigs get slaughtered." Can the company afford to pay us more? Do we deserve a raise? Yes to both. However, we need to milk the turnip, not bleed it to death!

Additionally, we need to keep focused on the bigger picture. If PBS happens to sneak in the back door and is associated with a pay raise I guarantee that we will all be working harder for the money that we negotiated for. I do not know about all of you but, I like getting paid the most amount of money possible for the least amount of work performed. So, think about that when considering hourly rate. The company is ready to unleash the sodomizer on us and completely destroy our industry leading vacation system as well as wreck all quality of life as we know it. Until PBS is off the table from the company side I for one will be extremely wary of anything being reported by our negotiators.

I strongly suggest that we consider the bigger picture. An smaller increase in hourly wage accompanied by major work rule improvements. For instance - no PBS while procuring real time trip trading, improvements to dead heads i.e. accepted fare language, and thanks to the ACA, procuring our excellent health care for the foreseeable future for example.

My union speaks for me but are they listening to what I am saying?

 

I think you need to worry about your own group, take a look at your Union's goals in the current CBA talks and you will find that when compared to Purple you are in fact trying to achieve MANY of the rules and benefits that we already have.

Pay rates are only part of the story my friend. We appreciate the work each side does in raising or maintaining the bar but your spewing of this crap that FDX undercut you is pure BS. IPA is a strong group, so had there been higher rates in play I am sure you guys would have stuck to your goals and taken them, no matter what Purple did, right? Or are you only as weak as your Purple neighbor? Good to know that we could work a deal to lower our rates and force you into a pay cut, even if our lower rates really paid more in the w2...(in theory)

 

Nice try Lil J....let me help fact check your garbage since you don't have access to our numbers.

4,315 total pilots. 3705 pilots (86%) at WB pay and 610 (14%) on NB pay flying the 75.

Mister is right....money isn't everything, how do you put a price on quality of life??? I have two friends flying at Brown and they are both miserable beyond words.

 

No BS. It's a fact. In 2005, during negotiations, UPS had agreed to pay rates of XX+25. Then FEDEX ALPA opened with pay rates of XX. The NMB turned to UPS and the IPA with that info and UPS took it off the table.

As far as your narrow body rates are concerned, it's only not "a significant amount" if you're not on the 757. Both contracts have their good and bad parts. Your 4a.2b thing stinks. Our use of jumpseats and mgt flying is absurd. But bottom line is you bubbas fly the 757 for $25,000/year less than we do.

 

Do we really want to go there again. Our 4a2b stinks. Not as bad as you furlough protection though.

 

4A2B...

Hate to burst your bubble but the payrate negotiation is a fact. We were in the mid 240's with the company when FEDEX released their mid 220's rate. UPS quickly pulled back on the 240's for that reason. Talk to your negotiators...I've already talked to ours.

JTF

Pilot7576

 

Well hard to argue those "facts". Yes the rates FDX ALPA settled for are factual, I would like to see how that mandated that the IPA allow UPS to pull a higher offer off the table? Is that written in your by laws or something ????

 

So, let me get this straight - UPS was offering XX+25 and the IPA didn't just jump all over it! Could it have been that there were other things like work rule and scope concessions attached to this pay rate? Along comes FedEx ALPA and their XX pay rate doesn't have all the concessions attached to it and we settle for that. But, it is still our fault that the IPA didn't get the extra 25 that had all the concessions with it? Maybe L'il J needs to do some homework!

 

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Besides, I would rather be flying for the airline with the stronger balance sheet than the higher pay rates. I think FedEx is much more stable financially than most, if not all of the legacy passenger carriers.

 

4A2B...

You're kidding, right? Like I said, talk to your negotiators. What happened is in the past and both unions can learn from this.

Pilot7576