NightIP

It's a first contract at a supplemental non-sked. Expecting Delta rates (or any other carrier with a mature contract) is just plain unrealistic and silly. Not much else to it.

I just attended the first road show, and strongly recommend that every member in good standing do the same. Good Q&A, and a lot of "behind the scenes" information on how certain parts of the contract were negotiated and derived.

Bill Lumberg

Not demeaning - apparently wishful thinking. That's all...

HercDriver130

Fair enough.... but using your baseline... few stand up to your standards.

EricJ320

Hey guys, I applaud the Omni guys getting a TA. Although, I'd like to give you some things to think about when deciding how to vote. Being at Ryan for 14 years now, I am extremely knowlegeable of your current CEO, as he used to be ours.

Under our previous contract, Jeff Crippen "promised" us we'd never get used to the full 8 days on/6 days off they needed in the contract, traveling outside our lines, they only wanted it for emergencies. It wasn't but a year or two, every line and every pilot was spending 10 days away and 4 days at home, counting our commute. Furthermore, he "promised" we'd always get hotels in base, but it wasn't in the contract. Again, a year or two later, they started trying to take away hotels in the Chicago base. When we threw a huge fit, they gave the rooms back, but negotiated with the hotel for a lower rate with no housekeeping, even no linens or toilet paper would be supplied. My point is, if it's not in the contract, you can not trust Crippen to stick to his word.

Please don't take this wrong, because I truly wish you guys the best, regardless if our companies compete in the non-sched world, the more each pilot group moves forward, the better off we'll all be in the end. Just take a look at our contract and see how it stacks up against your TA. Don't look at our profile page on APC, it's not very accurate, although I've tried to get it updated. From many of the things I've heard about your TA from friends, unless that info is wrong, I would have liked to see you guys surpass us since our current contract is 3 1/2 years old and due to be amended next spring. If you want some of the details I can give them to you to compare.

Like I said, we need to be notching each other up from contract to contract. I do realize this is your first contract though, our first was a real steaming pile, far worse than your TA.

TonyWilliams

I hope this is as far as we're going to go with this. Everybody has an opinion, and some aren't popular, but continued thrashing over the same thoughts are not productive.

got2fly

I am in the pool waiting for a class date. I have one question. What is first year captain pay under the proposed contract?

Nohope

Under the new TA 1st year Capt pay is $109.81 an hour. (109.81x60)x12=79063.2 a year.

stuart716

Are you hired as a street captain? I have worked for 2 other companies that had vague language in the contract and the company plays nicely while everything is fresh in the minds of the pilots and company, but after a little while the companies memory of the intent gets a little fuzzy because it was not spelled out specifically what can and cannot be done. IF we dont tighten up the language and get a better deal out of this ta we will be screwed.

Hetman

If practicable, I will make my best reasonable effort to vote yes. But, of course, since it is not in writing that I am required to...

RJtrashPilot

Don't forget the shall, must, will, can or may qualifiers.