Do they have recall rights? Not that you would want to come back to a company after they did that to you.

 

This thread reminds me of WGA...
GUESS all ACMI carrier are the same....same outcome, same tactics.
Actually worse...they didn't screw with peoples lives in training, and paid full pay during training delays.

 

Hey TP, hope the metro is still treating you well. But no, a bad move from management at a place does not indicate a picture of total working conditions. So far as I can tell Omni still outclasses WGA by a mile. Training isn’t even a comparison Omni was significantly better in many ways. And, while I appreciated your input back in turboprop days, you were wrong about myself and others when you called us “morons for thinking we could move directly into heavy type jets” since a lot of us did that successfully and enjoy our careers now.

We were told by management that they were being given pay while they looked for new jobs and had first right of refusal to come back. I don’t know how accurate that is. Still not a good look for them to do that.

 

"rights" as in CBA no.... will be first called and offered when hiring resumes, yes.

In this market I'd be surprised if all of them aren't at United, Delta or AA instead by now.

We were one of the best ACMI's around. We've fallen so far behind CBA wise that even AmeriJet is better compensated these days.
In general I really like the company, and the type of work we do, and who we do it for, but that doesn't put food on the table or pay the kids education bills.
I still really enjoy the job, but it really blows watching everybody else making bank while they play Ford & Harrison BS games and bring in federal mediators.
It's still a good place to work, it's just not in the top half anymore. If you've got time in already the golden handcuffs are on; if not... go elsewhere.

 

Do your research. Ask those who’ve been furloughed from their first day of BI to the day of their rating rides. Better yet… start a new thread.

 

There is a difference between being furloughed and fired. Omni/ATSG fired the pilots. BIG difference.

 

If they were still drawing training wage at home, were they fired?

If they were brought back with the new class coming up, those that chose to come back, were they fired?

If they were kept on training wage, and told they'd have first choice of the next 767 or 777 opening, were they fired?

I've attended training and just prior to completion, have been sent home due to a change in the program. When that happened to me, I was offered no compensation, no ongoing wage, no promise of return, and not offered a different aircraft.

Are you saying that Omni didn't keep these guys on their training wage, didn't offer them openings with other ATSG companies flying the same type, didn't offer them the first opening in either a 767 or 777, and hasn't brought those back who wanted to return, with the upcoming June class? Is all that untrue?

There's no question that to let a class go hours before their checkride is low-class, and a ****-poor business decision, but then didn't the man who make that decision admit as much? Didn't he say he knew it was a bad choice, and he knew it would hurt the company, but that it was his decision and that he was going to do it anyway? Or is that untrue, too?

 

Yeah my spouse smacks me around. They buy me flowers and chocolate and apologize so all is forgiven.

 

We may actually be married to the same woman. Except for the chocolate and flowers. Once in a while she tosses me an ice pack, though.

 

Atlas gives full pay and employee rights under contract (still probation one year) from day one as do all the majors. Atlas sends many classes home for 4-6 weeks in training do to sim availability usually after the oral but you know your coming back. This was pretty low and I hope Union is looking at getting "training pay" removed and make employees fir st day, seems like industry standard now. Even Nicholas Air is doing this with no Union.