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Old 03-03-2023 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Yeah? How’d they do in 2018? Were you as much a sour grape then too when we went to the highest first year pay rate in the entire 121 industry?
I'm interested in 2023 and beyond. But to answer, we were down to no pilots pre contract, forcing the company to do something. Different times.
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Old 03-04-2023 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchtrim
I'm interested in 2023 and beyond. But to answer, we were down to no pilots pre contract, forcing the company to do something. Different times.
You've got a really short memory. You should do like Burke said and just stop posting publicly about it. It only helps the company.
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Old 03-04-2023 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
You've got a really short memory. You should do like Burke said and just stop posting publicly about it. It only helps the company.
It's all common knowledge. Perhaps stop asking me questions.
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Old 03-04-2023 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchtrim
It's all common knowledge. Perhaps stop asking me questions.
Some is. Some seems to be news to you. It may be better to keep one's trap shut and appear the fool, rather than open it, and remove all doubt.

You've left little doubt.

Discretion is the better part of valor. Show some valor.
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Old 03-04-2023 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Some is. Some seems to be news to you. It may be better to keep one's trap shut and appear the fool, rather than open it, and remove all doubt.

You've left little doubt.

Discretion is the better part of valor. Show some valor.
What's it like up there on that high horse? Or should I say on ones high horse.

You guys are awfully emotional about your union brethren. Heaven forbid anyone give any criticism. At least I want some major gains in the contract, which isn't half bad for someone who's been accused of being a FH/management troll.
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Old 03-04-2023 | 01:22 PM
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I said nothing of a union. YOU did.

I'm not emotional in the least. You have a comprehension problem.

You whine that you're unable to give criticism, then tell others not to ask you anything, or respond to you.

Simple things others know and understand well, and yet you do not, but purport to have been around for a while.

It would appear, you've removed all doubt. Well done.
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Old 03-04-2023 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
I said nothing of a union. YOU did.

I'm not emotional in the least. You have a comprehension problem.

You whine that you're unable to give criticism, then tell others not to ask you anything, or respond to you.

Simple things others know and understand well, and yet you do not, but purport to have been around for a while.

It would appear, you've removed all doubt. Well done.
Burke- Cuj asked me a question, and then when I answered told me to shut it. It's a bit silly to ask a person a question and when they respond tell them to zip it. Just don't ask the question if you don't want me responding. Then you jump back in to be condescending. A lot of insults thrown my direction because I've obviously struck a nerve. It's ok, you guys do your thing and I'll take my ball and go home.
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Old 03-04-2023 | 04:17 PM
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Starved for attention, or you just can't help but snapping at the bait? Whatever it is, it's you.

When you say, "you guys" you're assuming a lot, not the least of which is whether anyone responding to you has a dog in the hunt, or any relation to you or that which surrounds you. One ought not assume.

Is "you guys" anything like "you people?"

I'll ask a question, seeing that you're in the answering mood, and starved for attention. You seem to assert that your union doesn't speak for you, and that you have no faith in the union. The union won't want what you wish to achieve (though you haven't said what you hope to get).

Your current contract came as the result of a union negotiation, yes? (say yes: it's rhetorical) Your current contract, at the date of signing, included industry-leading elements that came as the result of union negotiation, yes? (rhetorical: just nod. We haven't reached your question, yet. I'm telling you this, because you have a comprehension problem, Be patient).

You're part of a collective bargaining agreement, which, under the railway labor act, means that you are represented by one organization, and that you may not negotiate your own contract with your employer, correct? (keep nodding) Whether you have faith in your collective bargaining unit, you benefit from their representation, but you really don't believe that the union will benefit you? (here's where you can start to respond, because this is on you).

If you don't have any control in the matter (other than voting for or against any tentative agreements reached), are you better off supporting, or fighting against those legally designated to represent your interests? If you are under a collective bargaining agreement, do you adhere to it? Do you benefit from it? Do you think it's best to have your discussion in a public forum? Where do you usually fly your dirty laundry (other than here)?

Have you thrown your name in the ring to be the next volunteer, the next leader, the next negotiator, or are you content to do nothing but sit in the peanut gallery and lack faith? If you don't support, and don't have faith, then what do you have?

You're aware that faith is a verb, right? Go ahead and answer that one. It's not rhetorical.
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Old 03-05-2023 | 12:31 PM
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Didn’t John Burke quit Omni? He made quite the impression too.
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Old 03-05-2023 | 02:15 PM
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Realistically what would be 1st and 2nd year FO pay? 777 vs 767? Most popular/often layovers?
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