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Old 04-26-2014 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by woutlaw
My sim partner had 1,503 and some prior 121 time. I think I had around 4,600-ish and no 121 but a ton of PIC from 5-years of 135 freight. I think there were only 2 guys in my class of 9 who had any prior jet experience.

So, times are all over the place. There were a couple of CFIs in the classes around me, ex-military guys, ex-121 guys, ex-135 guys, you name it.

Attitude and aptitude seem to count for a lot. Every new hire I've met has been pretty low drama and just good folks.

The tests are obviously very important. You want to pass them. :-)

A friend of mine just got called for an interview next month, so hiring is still happening. It sounds like it'll be a carbon copy of last year: Expect things to ramp up over the summer with a couple classes a month starting in the fall. That's just my guess, btw.

There are another 120-ish flows expected to happen, plus guys leaving for other gigs as well, and we gotta fill behind them so....
Thanks for the update. I've got 2700tt with 1000 mpic and 2400 turbine. Time on dash 8s and metros most of which was scheduled flights. It was done in Canada though so not under part 121 rules. Can I consider this equivalent to 121 on airline apps?
Old 04-27-2014 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
There is a fairly large uptick in block hours for our LAX Base, beginning in June. This is going to come at the cost of the MSP Base. MSP will shrink to fund the LAX Base. The Company has said recently that there are no CURRENT plans for another western base though.
What about DTW? Should we expect our base to remain the same? I'm pretty sure if they expand LAX any further, it will affect both MSP and DTW. The airline is stretched thin enough as it is, and unfortunately both bases will suffer from further unwanted expansion out west.
Old 04-27-2014 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dtwlandlord
What about DTW? Should we expect our base to remain the same? I'm pretty sure if they expand LAX any further, it will affect both MSP and DTW. The airline is stretched thin enough as it is, and unfortunately both bases will suffer from further unwanted expansion out west.
Considering the current realignment bid that is open is going to displace MSP FO's to DTW and lax I think DTW is staying around in its current form for a while.
Old 04-27-2014 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
Thanks for the update. I've got 2700tt with 1000 mpic and 2400 turbine. Time on dash 8s and metros most of which was scheduled flights. It was done in Canada though so not under part 121 rules. Can I consider this equivalent to 121 on airline apps?
I have no clue about how to deal with Canadian stuff on Airline Apps but that sounds like a good level of experience.

Good luck!
Old 04-27-2014 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dtwlandlord
What about DTW? Should we expect our base to remain the same? I'm pretty sure if they expand LAX any further, it will affect both MSP and DTW. The airline is stretched thin enough as it is, and unfortunately both bases will suffer from further unwanted expansion out west.
Everything that I'm hearing from people that I trust, DTW is probably going remain stagnant. DTW will probably fund most of the east coast and MTY. MSP is the biggest loser in this whole thing.
Old 04-27-2014 | 04:22 PM
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What's the word on the line about this upcoming bid? I assume there will be some unhappy guys or gals getting pushed to LAX...
Old 04-27-2014 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Peak13
What's the word on the line about this upcoming bid? I assume there will be some unhappy guys or gals getting pushed to LAX...

I'd say almost all the pilots that will get displaced next week to LAX FO (around 20), are still not even finished with training. They might have to spend a month or maybe 2 or 3 in LAX. I would imagine though that Compass is going to have to get the class sizes up to 10-20 a month starting in late July or early August. Once the first of those pilots finish training (around late September), the pilots who are currently being displaced will move gain around 10% in bidding % every month. By the end of the year, they could find themselves approaching the 50% mark amongst bidders for MSP FO.

Compass still seems to be losing a good number of pilots outside of the flow, so there is still going to be continuous movement even during the 4 months between the 2014 and 2015 flows. Then the mass exodus of pilots to DL picks back up again in early 2015.

Bottom line, I don't think those who are displaced are going to be there very long at all.
Old 04-27-2014 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by typical41
I'd say almost all the pilots that will get displaced next week to LAX FO (around 20), are still not even finished with training. They might have to spend a month or maybe 2 or 3 in LAX. I would imagine though that Compass is going to have to get the class sizes up to 10-20 a month starting in late July or early August. Once the first of those pilots finish training (around late September), the pilots who are currently being displaced will move gain around 10% in bidding % every month. By the end of the year, they could find themselves approaching the 50% mark amongst bidders for MSP FO.

Compass still seems to be losing a good number of pilots outside of the flow, so there is still going to be continuous movement even during the 4 months between the 2014 and 2015 flows. Then the mass exodus of pilots to DL picks back up again in early 2015.

Bottom line, I don't think those who are displaced are going to be there very long at all.
So if i'm online by July, and want the LAX base, could I expect a line within a couple months then?
Old 04-27-2014 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by madmax757
So if i'm online by July, and want the LAX base, could I expect a line within a couple months then?

If you want LAX, then you should hold a line out there by October or November I would say, even if you were hired in late June of this year.

The reason it would take that long is because you have to wait for all those guys and gals hired after you to finish all their training.

Example:

June 12 hire date - Begin homestudy...
July 14 - return from homestudy, begin Groundschool...
Late August / Early September - Finish IOE

In this scenario you would be eligible to bid in October. Depending on your seniority in your class, as well as how soon people finish training after you, will determine if you will hold a line in LAX in October or November. Either way, with when you are talking about getting hired, I would not expect more than 2 months on reserve. Hopefully this helps you in nailing down a timeline. Salud!
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Originally Posted by typical41
I'd say almost all the pilots that will get displaced next week to LAX FO (around 20), are still not even finished with training. They might have to spend a month or maybe 2 or 3 in LAX. I would imagine though that Compass is going to have to get the class sizes up to 10-20 a month starting in late July or early August. Once the first of those pilots finish training (around late September), the pilots who are currently being displaced will move gain around 10% in bidding % every month. By the end of the year, they could find themselves approaching the 50% mark amongst bidders for MSP FO.

Compass still seems to be losing a good number of pilots outside of the flow, so there is still going to be continuous movement even during the 4 months between the 2014 and 2015 flows. Then the mass exodus of pilots to DL picks back up again in early 2015.

Bottom line, I don't think those who are displaced are going to be there very long at all.
This is best case scenario, I hope it works out, but this would be best case...twice now the company has displaced FO's out of MSP to LAX because of changes to schedules DL has given us, whose to say more won't come. They were supposed to stop at 45 FO's and they are approaching 60 with LAX increasing flying. I hope the dust has settled, but anything can happen now with all this west coast flying...
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