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Old 10-18-2014 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RoughLandings
Could a <1 year upgrade happen? Possible, but unlikely.

Also, asking about a <1 year upgrade means that you will have flown the aircraft off IOE for less than 8 months. Honestly, with an aircraft as complex as the 175, you're going to need more time to be comfortable.
Complex? Since when is checking to make sure every switch is in auto complex...

Anyone with prior 121 and jet experience could train and get typed on a E175 and go straight to the left seat safely in my opinion
Old 10-19-2014 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ACessential
Complex? Since when is checking to make sure every switch is in auto complex...

Anyone with prior 121 and jet experience could train and get typed on a E175 and go straight to the left seat safely in my opinion
Maybe he meant as automated? Honestly, if you "set it and forget it" you might end up dead if you don't know what you're doing. Leaving the "FLCH" mode on then disconnecting the AP while on short approach while not coupled with the ILS and not monitoring the AT you could end up stalling really close to the ground. There are several "gotcha" scenarios that could get you into big trouble.
It's not as simple as making sure a switch is in auto mode. However, this airplane is very easy if you know how to use the switches.
Old 10-19-2014 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
Maybe he meant as automated? Honestly, if you "set it and forget it" you might end up dead if you don't know what you're doing. Leaving the "FLCH" mode on then disconnecting the AP while on short approach while not coupled with the ILS and not monitoring the AT you could end up stalling really close to the ground. There are several "gotcha" scenarios that could get you into big trouble.
It's not as simple as making sure a switch is in auto mode. However, this airplane is very easy if you know how to use the switches.
Your example has nothing to do with "set it and forget it" and everything to do with not monitoring and "flying" the airplane. My point is that the airplane is simple to fly compared to other 121 jets. Short checklists, many switches you never touch, very few memory items, little call outs, etc. If you compared the amount of information one would have to learn on the E175 say compared to a Mad Dog, a B737, or even a CRJ200, there is MUCH less.
Old 10-19-2014 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RoughLandings
Could a <1 year upgrade happen? Possible, but unlikely.

Also, asking about a <1 year upgrade means that you will have flown the aircraft off IOE for less than 8 months. Honestly, with an aircraft as complex as the 175, you're going to need more time to be comfortable.
Also, let's not forget that the overwhelming majority of the new hires (me included) are coming with years and thousands of hours of experience in all different types of jets or turboprops. It is true there's a handful of CFIs without a previous 121 experience being hired (one out of 6 in my class), but they are a minority and they will have to stick in the right seat a bit longer anyway to get their 1000 hours. There's nothing wrong with this concept in my opinion. The experience level seams to be higher to me then it was when 250 hour commercial pilots were getting hired and upgrading the moment they reached the magical 1500 hour number. Besides, a lot of them did upgrade successfully and have been flying safely since.
Old 10-19-2014 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by barabek
Also, let's not forget that the overwhelming majority of the new hires (me included) are coming with years and thousands of hours of experience in all different types of jets or turboprops. It is true there's a handful of CFIs without a previous 121 experience being hired (one out of 6 in my class), but they are a minority and they will have to stick in the right seat a bit longer anyway to get their 1000 hours. There's nothing wrong with this concept in my opinion. The experience level seams to be higher to me then it was when 250 hour commercial pilots were getting hired and upgrading the moment they reached the magical 1500 hour number. Besides, a lot of them did upgrade successfully and have been flying safely since.
agree here. my class is 3 prior 121 carriers, 2 mil, 1 135...
Old 10-19-2014 | 09:41 AM
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Honestly, if you aren't ready for upgrade, you won't make it through upgrade OE.
Old 10-19-2014 | 10:16 AM
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Almost anyone can upgrade, it's the captain part where people will have issues. You need to know a lot more about the airplane and the operation to be an effective captain. Anyone can fly it's making the decisions in the heat of the moment that count. That only comes from experience with the company and being in the airplane. You'de be hard pressed to find someone in our training department who isn't worried about what lies ahead for our pilot group even with all our experience.
Old 10-19-2014 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by djrogs03
Almost anyone can upgrade, it's the captain part where people will have issues. You need to know a lot more about the airplane and the operation to be an effective captain. Anyone can fly it's making the decisions in the heat of the moment that count. That only comes from experience with the company and being in the airplane. You'de be hard pressed to find someone in our training department who isn't worried about what lies ahead for our pilot group even with all our experience.
Same scenario as when Compass started.
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
Same scenario as when Compass started.
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Old 10-19-2014 | 11:40 AM
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