Compass updates
05-23-2010, 06:48 AM
#641
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
Apparently Compass management believes that "operational constraints" gives them cover to put off hiring until the last possible moment, then delay everyone's class dates by 3 months. I disagree. The first non-check airman who gets held back should file a grievance.
Honsetly, I do not see what the problem is with being held back 90 days. What are the Compass pilots loosing? They are getting the best of both worlds.
They will already have their Delta senority number based on the day that they would have started class(I would imagine this would also allow them to begin building senority). They get to sit left seat at CP at the top of the senority list getting 15+ days/mon off, making more money and having a better QOL than if they were at Delta in training.
I don't see where the Pilots are being harmed and losing anything.
But I do agree with you that the princaple is wrong, it should be a smooth transition with no delay, and the hold back should only happen for unforeseen circumstances, not poor planning.
05-23-2010, 12:26 PM
#642
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Hey if I got a seniority number with Delta already I'd be more than happy to sit at Compass and hold out. It's like those FOs that don't bid the left seat until they can hold a line. You'd have a nice line at Compass and sit and wait while everyone else enjoys sitting reserve on the bottom of Delta's list. Granted some pay would be lost (arguably since you go from senior captain to 1st year FO) and the work rules aren't as good, but I don't think I'd mind.
05-23-2010, 02:27 PM
#643
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Thanks for the info on the EFBs.
05-23-2010, 02:57 PM
#644
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Originally Posted by mynameisjim
I understand
Did you complete your training in 45 days? I had 30 days of at home CD, 1 week of indoc, 1 week of systems and procedures, 2 weeks of sim, 1-2 weeks til oe...
It was 5 months from date of offer until I could bid, but it was two years ago, so it may have improved since.
Did you complete your training in 45 days? I had 30 days of at home CD, 1 week of indoc, 1 week of systems and procedures, 2 weeks of sim, 1-2 weeks til oe...
It was 5 months from date of offer until I could bid, but it was two years ago, so it may have improved since.
The following is a brief description of the Training footprint that you can expect at DAL:
You will receive a few CDs in the mail for self study prior to arrival.
Week 1 - CPT type trainers with systems review - Systems validation.
Week 2 - Procedures trainers - Procedures validation
Week 3 - Full motion simulators - maneuvers validation.
Week 4 - LOFTs with your final check-ride.
As new hires you can probably expect about another week at the front end (Week 0) for orientation etc. But your training will probably be about 5 weeks total with a few days off in between stages. The good thing is that every time you have at least two days off in a row you will have positive space back hone if desired.
Welcome aboard!
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05-23-2010, 08:16 PM
#645
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Originally Posted by ak2az
Honsetly, I do not see what the problem is with being held back 90 days. What are the Compass pilots loosing? They are getting the best of both worlds.
They will already have their Delta senority number based on the day that they would have started class(I would imagine this would also allow them to begin building senority). They get to sit left seat at CP at the top of the senority list getting 15+ days/mon off, making more money and having a better QOL than if they were at Delta in training.
I don't see where the Pilots are being harmed and losing anything.
But I do agree with you that the princaple is wrong, it should be a smooth transition with no delay, and the hold back should only happen for unforeseen circumstances, not poor planning.
They will already have their Delta senority number based on the day that they would have started class(I would imagine this would also allow them to begin building senority). They get to sit left seat at CP at the top of the senority list getting 15+ days/mon off, making more money and having a better QOL than if they were at Delta in training.
I don't see where the Pilots are being harmed and losing anything.
But I do agree with you that the princaple is wrong, it should be a smooth transition with no delay, and the hold back should only happen for unforeseen circumstances, not poor planning.
.This would also mean that we might be able to hold a better domicile upon bidding. HOWEVER. I think those guys waiting on us to leave those left seats will NOT be happy one bit at waiting 3 more months for an upgrade. For those of us that have to wait for either seat just remember that most ppl out there would be more than happy to be in your position. So lets try to stay positive no matter what they decide to do. If I can't change it I try not to worry about it to much.
05-23-2010, 08:41 PM
#646
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Anyone know how long you have to wait before reapplying after an interview?
05-23-2010, 09:14 PM
#647
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Originally Posted by erjpilot7
Anyone know how long you have to wait before reapplying after an interview?
05-24-2010, 04:49 AM
#648
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
For those of us that have to wait for either seat just remember that most ppl out there would be more than happy to be in your position. So lets try to stay positive no matter what they decide to do. If I can't change it I try not to worry about it to much.
exactly... 99% of compass pilots are just very excited to have this happening. It means massive upward movement at our airline when most are moving the other way.
05-24-2010, 12:06 PM
#649
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
exactly... 99% of compass pilots are just very excited to have this happening. It means massive upward movement at our airline when most are moving the other way.
While I am excited that the flow will happen, I do not want to see any hold backs. First, I want to get my ass off reserve. Holdbacks will only dely that. Second depending on how the clases are assigned it is possible that there will be more off the street new hires out of the 240 to be hired and less Compass Pilots. Makes it harder for me to move up and even longer to flow up.
Still movement is good and I hear the first interviews are being held in ATL this week. I hope this is true.
05-25-2010, 11:12 AM
#650
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Quote:
"you will have positive space back home if desired."
not at compass, or that must be new, because as of last fall that wasn't the case.
you're on your own for everything, even the 2 day intro before the month of home study.
you should get your ID to jumpseat during those 2 days if you're lucky or fedexed to your home during the month of home study
the only pos. space I ever got was to and from the interview.
"you will have positive space back home if desired."
not at compass, or that must be new, because as of last fall that wasn't the case.
you're on your own for everything, even the 2 day intro before the month of home study.
you should get your ID to jumpseat during those 2 days if you're lucky or fedexed to your home during the month of home study
the only pos. space I ever got was to and from the interview.
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