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Old 07-15-2014, 12:29 PM
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I'm considering leaving my current airline job for a full time corporate position, but I have a couple concerns I need to address first. Hopefully somebody here can help me understand what the industry standard is for being contactable while not on a trip.

This will be for a family that only uses their current aircraft about 250 hours a year and usually knows the schedule months in advance. I have been working part time with them for the last 5 years and there have only been a few pop up trips. They are taking delivery of a larger aircraft in a few months that will need a full time crew.

I was thinking about writing something up in a contract that would specify how contactable I would need to be. For example, always be able to return a call within x hours and be within y hours of the airport. I would also include language to allow for some days that are completely free from all contact (vacation days).

Is this normal or am I completely out of line thinking I can have a life away from the cell phone with this job? I'm curious how others do it.
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I'm considering leaving my current airline job for a full time corporate position, but I have a couple concerns I need to address first. Hopefully somebody here can help me understand what the industry standard is for being contactable while not on a trip.

This will be for a family that only uses their current aircraft about 250 hours a year and usually knows the schedule months in advance. I have been working part time with them for the last 5 years and there have only been a few pop up trips. They are taking delivery of a larger aircraft in a few months that will need a full time crew.

I was thinking about writing something up in a contract that would specify how contactable I would need to be. For example, always be able to return a call within x hours and be within y hours of the airport. I would also include language to allow for some days that are completely free from all contact (vacation days).

Is this normal or am I completely out of line thinking I can have a life away from the cell phone with this job? I'm curious how others do it.
I think this is a great idea!
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:08 PM
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I probably wouldn't go as far as getting it in writing. Just make sure you set the boundaries before taking the job.
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:57 PM
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How are you going to enforce this "contract" ? quit ?
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The answer is simple. You'll have tons of time off, so apart from vacation, be accessible. That's why you're there.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. As soon as I posted this, I realized what a dumb question it was. It's just a completely different type of flying than the airlines and it is new to me. I'm used to living by a contract that defines everything I do. I've got a lot to learn, but I'm starting to see the big picture. So far, I'm liking the change.
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not a dumb question at all. maybe the getting it in writing was a little farfetched. this should really be discussed over a lunch meeting with the boss or having alot of history on the operation. this could be in your ops manual, if you develop one.
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The answer is simple. You'll have tons of time off, so apart from vacation, be accessible. That's why you're there.
Exactly! And if you do a great job of taking care of a family like this it will sometimes reap additional/unexpected rewards. Just never forget you are still the hired help... Good luck!
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Originally Posted by tbmpilot View Post
The answer is simple. You'll have tons of time off, so apart from vacation, be accessible. That's why you're there.
Exactly! And if you do a great job of taking care of a family like this it will sometimes reap additional/unexpected rewards. Just never forget you are still the hired help... Good luck!
Good points. I will be discussing the details with the owners sometime next week. I appreciate your feedback.
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[QUOTE=autopirate;1684805]I'm considering leaving my current airline job for a full time corporate position, but I have a couple concerns I need to address first. Hopefully somebody here can help me understand what the industry standard is for being contactable while not on a trip.

This will be for a family that only uses their current aircraft about 250 hours a year and usually knows the schedule months in advance. I have been working part time with them for the last 5 years and there have only been a few pop up trips. They are taking delivery of a larger aircraft in a few months that will need a full time crew.

I was thinking about writing something up in a contract that would specify how contactable I would need to be. For example, always be able to return a call within x hours and be within y hours of the airport. I would also include language to allow for some days that are completely free from all contact (vacation days).

Is this normal or am I completely out of line thinking I can have a life away from the cell phone with this job? I'm curious how others do it.[/QUOT

More people need to do that. I have worked in a family owned operation and because the last sucker let them walk all over the pilots that is what is expected... Giving the owners all the leverage will make you be a slave to the plane and always be on call with no hard days off. My old corporate boss always said "a day not flying is a day off". BS! If I cant go golfing and drink a few beers because I might have to fly then IM NOT OFF! Please make them pay you a fair salary! If they have the dough to buy a big jet they can pay you.
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