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Old 04-14-2020 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by emersonbiguns
The WaPo reporters did a pretty good job breaking the story.
LOL, you”re kidding right? Freakin” hilarious.

Real journalists were taliking about it weeks ago, but were denigrated by the likes of the Post and others of their ilk. Nice to see them jump on the bandwagon now.
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Old 04-14-2020 | 05:56 PM
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The plot thickens...

For those glued to CNN, MSNBC, Twitter, etc. and still clinging to the CCP’s storyline:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ting-wuhan-lab

It's called Occam’s Razor. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it’s probably a .... soup?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/
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Old 04-14-2020 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The stillest
we’re all going to die.

Why is your path to get there any better than any one else’s?

many of the same people talking about odds and percentages with this virus - and then telling me to stay home...are the same people who have no problem ingesting a cocktail and then driving home
Yes, nobody is getting out of this life alive! However, for those of us who value human life, this virus is not some trivial experience. Let’s review some of the consequences of death from this virus:
1. Body disposal costs, either burying or cremation. Someone has to pay. So insurance? All our rates collectively go up. Government pay? Great use of tax dollars and good for the economy right?
2. Those that die often have debts. Let’s have the grieving families pay. That’s great right? Gotta be a plus to the economy right?
3. How about those who were vital to their families, paying bills and a family leader? Oh well, we’re gonna die anyway right?

Point is behind every death, there is a cost and often a hole left. Yes we’re all going to die, but when it’s not our time it’s a tragedy. To make callous remarks is almost inhuman. Oh yes I remember, most of the victims were/are elderly. Get out of my seat right?
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Old 04-14-2020 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Aldo Raine
LOL, you”re kidding right? Freakin” hilarious.

Real journalists were taliking about it weeks ago, but were denigrated by the likes of the Post and others of their ilk. Nice to see them jump on the bandwagon now.

So why does the author, Daniel Ivandjiiski (you know, the Bulgarian that goes by Tyler Durden) feel the need to attribute everything to the WaPo, and not the "real journalists"?

...according to the Washington Post...
...new SARS-like pandemic. -Washington Post
WaPo is careful to note...
According to WaPo...
Next, WaPo moves on...
...said one WaPo source.
As WaPo notes...

Maybe because a small part of his original conspiracy theory can be rolled into an "I told you so moment", but he needs the real journalism as an attempt to bolster his legitimacy?

And now - considering the source of the report, the bat's out of the bag and the official narrative has been set - which we were called conspiracy theorists for positing three months ago.
Maybe you can find his "positing" from three months ago to prove the comparison between the WaPo article and his original claim. I figured if it was such a gotcha he would've linked it himself...
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Old 04-14-2020 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
As far as the projection for deaths one need only have basic statistics skill...

And the Farr Law of Epidemiology?

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Old 04-14-2020 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverHome
Yes, nobody is getting out of this life alive! However, for those of us who value human life, this virus is not some trivial experience. Let’s review some of the consequences of death from this virus:
1. Body disposal costs, either burying or cremation. Someone has to pay. So insurance? All our rates collectively go up. Government pay? Great use of tax dollars and good for the economy right?
2. Those that die often have debts. Let’s have the grieving families pay. That’s great right? Gotta be a plus to the economy right?
3. How about those who were vital to their families, paying bills and a family leader? Oh well, we’re gonna die anyway right?

Point is behind every death, there is a cost and often a hole left. Yes we’re all going to die, but when it’s not our time it’s a tragedy. To make callous remarks is almost inhuman. Oh yes I remember, most of the victims were/are elderly. Get out of my seat right?

why is what you said different for any death, especially one that came at the hands of a greater statistical risk than this virus?
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Old 04-14-2020 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverHome
Yes, nobody is getting out of this life alive! However, for those of us who value human life, this virus is not some trivial experience. Let’s review some of the consequences of death from this virus:
1. Body disposal costs, either burying or cremation. Someone has to pay. So insurance? All our rates collectively go up. Government pay? Great use of tax dollars and good for the economy right?
2. Those that die often have debts. Let’s have the grieving families pay. That’s great right? Gotta be a plus to the economy right?
3. How about those who were vital to their families, paying bills and a family leader? Oh well, we’re gonna die anyway right?

Point is behind every death, there is a cost and often a hole left. Yes we’re all going to die, but when it’s not our time it’s a tragedy. To make callous remarks is almost inhuman. Oh yes I remember, most of the victims were/are elderly. Get out of my seat right?
Every death is like a library burning down
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Old 04-14-2020 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by The stillest
why is what you said different for any death, especially one that came at the hands of a greater statistical risk than this virus?
Its not, nor did I ever claim it was. The point I was making is this: there are those that act like we should just forget the elderly or immune compromised because they no longer matter. There are some very disgusting things said about the value of human life. That’s where my complaint exists.

It would appear that for every tragedy there is someone out there that would like to bury the reality of what a death means under numbers and anecdotes. Yes we all know cancer is still killing good people, that’s a tragedy. Yes too many are killed in auto accidents, also a tragedy. But when it comes to a horrible virus that is killing people, there are those that have a “meh” attitude. I just as much as everyone else would like to see the economy come back and thrive. But to those who make statements that indicate that those dying are just elderly and no longer matter (it happens a lot, not just APC), I would ask those to re-evaluate their position.
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Old 04-15-2020 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverHome
Its not, nor did I ever claim it was. The point I was making is this: there are those that act like we should just forget the elderly or immune compromised because they no longer matter. There are some very disgusting things said about the value of human life. That’s where my complaint exists.

It would appear that for every tragedy there is someone out there that would like to bury the reality of what a death means under numbers and anecdotes. Yes we all know cancer is still killing good people, that’s a tragedy. Yes too many are killed in auto accidents, also a tragedy. But when it comes to a horrible virus that is killing people, there are those that have a “meh” attitude. I just as much as everyone else would like to see the economy come back and thrive. But to those who make statements that indicate that those dying are just elderly and no longer matter (it happens a lot, not just APC), I would ask those to re-evaluate their position.
Do the elderly matter more than the non-elderly?

If anything has been buried, it is the reality of the public health problem that is caused by unemployment and poverty. Cancer treatments have been delayed, cancer screenings are no longer available, there is major depressive disorder that seems to be now rampant. Millions of people no longer have jobs or health insurance, children are not in school. The response is far more damaging than the virus itself, but perhaps harder to quantify. Trillions of dollars in additional debt in attempts to stop an economic depression. It seems to me like the elderly matter a whole lot. Trillions upon trillions of wealth (wealth increases standard of living and quality of life) have disappeared in a months time.

The only way to stop the disease is herd immunity. Herd immunity can happen through a vaccine (which as of now doesn't exist but hopefully will at some point) or through infection. There are no other options. Social lockdowns and the economic destruction that occurs as a result delay herd immunity in an effort to keep hospital admissions from exceeding capacity.

The elderly matter. What do you think we should do for them? Is there a point where there is too much damage done to those that aren't significant impacted by the virus?

This isn't an all or nothing argument. Herd immunity is scientifically the only way to curtail the disease. The questions becomes how quickly do you get there and how much are you willing to destroy in the process?

Maybe the elderly should be appreciative most of the world has taken the cyanide pill for them?
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Old 04-16-2020 | 03:09 PM
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Preliminary/non peer review findings from New York indicate obesity is the #1 risk factor (after age) for COVID cases requiring hospitalization. It seems like the same data is being replicated in Europe as well (second link)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/h...gher-risk.html

https://www.europeanscientist.com/en...t-in-the-room/
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