Virtual Base in MCO
04-10-2018, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
No, quite the opposite. I am specifically refuting a point somebody made earlier that they could save $$ by getting rid of their crash pad because of a VB. As if saving crash pad money were a point in favor of VBs.
04-10-2018, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I guess I misunderstood you. And in the interest of intellectual honesty, getting rid of a crash pad is not a compelling vote in favor of VBs either!
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I'd like to say thank you to the pilot who WS my 3-day trip over capped reserve days. I was able to attend my grandson's birthday and my nephew's confirmation. Those three days were more important to me than money. For the WS pilot the money was more valuable than those three days. The system works fine as it is.
Those who argue the WS pickups reduce jobs are over inflating the issue. The staffing is based on summer schedules, where there is already little or no room to WS above ALV. The reality is that those who WS and PSP above ALV are providing flexibility for those who do not want to work as hard in the slower months. They have little impact in the summer months and therefore little impact on manning.
Those who argue the WS pickups reduce jobs are over inflating the issue. The staffing is based on summer schedules, where there is already little or no room to WS above ALV. The reality is that those who WS and PSP above ALV are providing flexibility for those who do not want to work as hard in the slower months. They have little impact in the summer months and therefore little impact on manning.
Originally Posted by LCAhotline
...So maybe we can get back to talking about killing virtual basing!
04-10-2018, 06:03 AM
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I understand the limitations on 'over water' first-leg and through existing bases.
Question about the MCO ER flying: How many MSP/DTW/LAX/JFK/etc trips start or end with an MCO leg? Do these legs become MCO-XXX-MCO turns easily or do they just get siphoned off and built into the MCO trips? Also, the ER has 'over water' trips out of RDU, BOS and PDX (off the top of my head) that could be built into MCO trips.
My biggest concern about VB's is that the flying has to come FROM somewhere. How is it going to affect the trip construction in existing bases?
Question about the MCO ER flying: How many MSP/DTW/LAX/JFK/etc trips start or end with an MCO leg? Do these legs become MCO-XXX-MCO turns easily or do they just get siphoned off and built into the MCO trips? Also, the ER has 'over water' trips out of RDU, BOS and PDX (off the top of my head) that could be built into MCO trips.
My biggest concern about VB's is that the flying has to come FROM somewhere. How is it going to affect the trip construction in existing bases?
04-10-2018, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
I understand the limitations on 'over water' first-leg and through existing bases.
Question about the MCO ER flying: How many MSP/DTW/LAX/JFK/etc trips start or end with an MCO leg? Do these legs become MCO-XXX-MCO turns easily or do they just get siphoned off and built into the MCO trips? Also, the ER has 'over water' trips out of RDU, BOS and PDX (off the top of my head) that could be built into MCO trips.
My biggest concern about VB's is that the flying has to come FROM somewhere. How is it going to affect the trip construction in existing bases?
Question about the MCO ER flying: How many MSP/DTW/LAX/JFK/etc trips start or end with an MCO leg? Do these legs become MCO-XXX-MCO turns easily or do they just get siphoned off and built into the MCO trips? Also, the ER has 'over water' trips out of RDU, BOS and PDX (off the top of my head) that could be built into MCO trips.
My biggest concern about VB's is that the flying has to come FROM somewhere. How is it going to affect the trip construction in existing bases?
04-10-2018, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
My biggest concern about VB's is that the flying has to come FROM somewhere. How is it going to affect the trip construction in existing bases?
04-10-2018, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ExAF
THIS! They are perfectly capable of opening a MCO base if they want/need one. This VB stuff is going to have consequences for the other actual ER bases since this VB flying is coming from somewhere. Does anyone at a current ER base want to lose flying and have your trip mix/amount of flying reduced?
04-10-2018, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
I understand the limitations on 'over water' first-leg and through existing bases.
Question about the MCO ER flying: How many MSP/DTW/LAX/JFK/etc trips start or end with an MCO leg? Do these legs become MCO-XXX-MCO turns easily or do they just get siphoned off and built into the MCO trips? Also, the ER has 'over water' trips out of RDU, BOS and PDX (off the top of my head) that could be built into MCO trips.
My biggest concern about VB's is that the flying has to come FROM somewhere. How is it going to affect the trip construction in existing bases?
Question about the MCO ER flying: How many MSP/DTW/LAX/JFK/etc trips start or end with an MCO leg? Do these legs become MCO-XXX-MCO turns easily or do they just get siphoned off and built into the MCO trips? Also, the ER has 'over water' trips out of RDU, BOS and PDX (off the top of my head) that could be built into MCO trips.
My biggest concern about VB's is that the flying has to come FROM somewhere. How is it going to affect the trip construction in existing bases?
MCO 7ER
Position-AB 7ER Effective June 4 Check in at 09.00
4 1659 MCO 1000 -LAX 1228 5.28
5 2531 LAX 0800 - BOS 1645 5.45
6 258 BOS 1901 - AMS 0810 7.09
8 127 AMS 14:40 - MCO 19:01 10.21
Total 28.43
Virtual bases are going to affect everyone.
04-10-2018, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
There’s no way it’s going to make trips better for any base!
That means that guys currently on the ER in ATL may get a BETTER trip mix than before and may now have the opportunity to fly nicer international trips previously flown by senior MCO commuters.
Of course that is hypothetical as well. But there are too many unknowns to just make blanket statements. Let's see how this plays out. Even then I am guessing each month will be its own "entity" and how one month looks won't necessarily predict the next.
04-10-2018, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
While I am "skeptically neutral" on VBs, I'm guessing that there are a lot of senior MCO commuters currently commuting to ATL to fly sweet international trips. Now if they can drive to MCO, that is still a better gig, even if they can't fly international trips due to the contractual restrictions on ocean crossings.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Virtual basing will benefit (in a very meaningful way) a very small minority of Delta pilots for a limited amount of time while it will hurt every other pilot for as long as they exist. It will undoubtedly help the company.
04-10-2018, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
Since we're playing hypotheticals... I bet there are some sweet ER trips that start and end with deadheads that even more senior guys who live near DFW love to bid. Now those trips lose the deadheads and go to MCO and the ultra senior DFW pilots now have to JS/nonrev to their base. This in turn bumps the "pretty-senior" pilots, and so the dominoes fall.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Virtual basing will benefit (in a very meaningful way) a very small minority of Delta pilots for a limited amount of time while it will hurt every other pilot for as long as they exist. It will undoubtedly help the company.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Virtual basing will benefit (in a very meaningful way) a very small minority of Delta pilots for a limited amount of time while it will hurt every other pilot for as long as they exist. It will undoubtedly help the company.
As bad as everyone says a VB will effect trip mix imagine the horror if they open a regular base with no restrictions. We need contract language to ban new bases!
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