Dude,

I was in fact referring to your previous Scope sale comments. The reason that I quoted that particular post is that i was you would educate us the supposed Scope sale you keep referring to.

You got us dead to rights. Picture us mainline Pilots as Dick Dastardly twirling his mustache as we feverishly sold Scope. By the way what exactly were we supposed to have sold it for?

Please research this topic - maybe if you do you will not be so quick to denigrate your fellow Pilots.

Scoop

I wonder why scoop would have seen your name and thought you were referring to scope gives..

I do believe you hit a soft spot with some of your earlier posts. I’m not surprised by the reaction you received.

Commuting is a choice...why reward those who choose to commute

NYC base maybe

That argument will fall on deaf ears...if your commuting, it’s a choice. I commuted to NYC, LAX, DEN, SEA, SLC, and DTW (both flying RJs and mainline). I’ve called in honest twice in 12 years, never ever did I complain because I chose to commute. This job allows us to live where we want but commuting is part of the repercussions of that decision. That’s why they have jumpseat agreements and call in honest policies, if they are having to change status for non-revs that’s not really taking care of the problem, it’s each individual pilots choice and responsibility on how they have to get to work. Their are tools in place to help those pilots do that. But giving special treatment to a group of individuals because they CHOOSE to commute imho isn’t the right thing to do and creates divide like this thread. It’s really simple, accept responsibility for your choices in life and learn how to deal with those responsibilities. I question why decisions like this are made when there have been no issues since the regionals were instituted.

I don’t know a single airline who has a commuter policy that wouldn’t have some sort of language in their FOM that discusses if the pilot is having issues commuting repeatedly, it will become a discussion with the chief pilots office on how to better plan for that pilots commute. This to me just sounds like some kind of recruiting tactic, unless people are being that irresponsible

Try reading for comprehension. It has nothing to do with where he was... He benefitted by there being a Delta to get hired at instead of the company going Chapter 7. Ask Sailingfun how close we were to not making payroll.

Denny

I don't have much to disagree with what you said except to point out that the last contract, which was post bankruptcy, did include scope gives.

The overall impact of those gives can be left up to debate, but I do think it germane to include that they happened. The important thing is to not let it happen again and to start getting scope back. There is nothing to be gained for finger pointing otherwise.

I will say that I kind of see that as a benefit of the S3A though, it's one more reason to get the flying in house where it belongs. With no outsourced flying there is no S3A.

I was NWA mgt at the time, and yes Delta was days away from shutting down. The concessions and future merger was the only reason Wall Street provided DIP to keep it going. The Delta name survived the merger because mgt wanted the non-union culture of the other employees. At the time, I thought it was a mistake because of the loss of branding in the Pacific. That proved true.

I love how S3A priority has become such a contentious topic while Ed is over here giving your international routes away to SkyTeam partners left and right. If S3A priority has all this hatred, then how was it approved in the first place?

The EFA group did not have Delta days from shutting down however we were down to 60 to 90 days cash available. 2 1/2 years later when the merger was announced Delta was in solid financial shape.