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Iceberg 08-20-2019 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by quitty123456789 (Post 2873205)
I love how S3A priority has become such a contentious topic while Ed is over here giving your international routes away to SkyTeam partners left and right. If S3A priority has all this hatred, then how was it approved in the first place?

How? Management changed it and didn’t ask for anyone’s approval.

Mesabah 08-20-2019 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2873217)
The EFA group did not have Delta days from shutting down however we were down to 60 to 90 days cash available. 2 1/2 years later when the merger was announced Delta was in solid financial shape.

The merger was in the works long before the day they announced it.

crewdawg 08-20-2019 06:17 AM

When I key the mic, I use the callsign Delta, not Nothwest. My paycheck is from Delta. Nothing else really matters anymore.

Mesabah 08-20-2019 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2873236)
When I key the mic, I use the callsign Delta, not Nothwest. My paycheck is from Delta. Nothing else really matters anymore.

Of course it’s water under the bridge. It’s just interesting to look at history. Especially since another recession is on the horizon. I don’t see pilots repeating the mistakes of the past.

Yumyum 08-20-2019 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2873243)
Of course it’s water under the bridge. It’s just interesting to look at history. Especially since another recession is on the horizon. I don’t see pilots repeating the mistakes of the past.

On the horizon? May I ask you how you know this? Some financial institutions might disagree with you.

Mesabah 08-20-2019 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by Yumyum (Post 2873420)
On the horizon? May I ask you how you know this? Some financial institutions might disagree with you.

Sure, the medical industry that accounts for a ridiculous amount of GDP, has to be dealt with by 2024.

sailingfun 08-20-2019 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2873224)
The merger was in the works long before the day they announced it.

There was the little matter of the USAir merger in between!

gloopy 08-20-2019 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2873202)
At the time, I thought it was a mistake because of the loss of branding in the Pacific. That proved true.

What good would that have done if such a large share was NRT 5th freedom flying which was just about to collapse regardless due to other factors?

Would have much rather kept the NWA wings though.

deerparkVOR 08-20-2019 01:03 PM

Just something to put it in perspective, 9E has about 4,000 total employees and there are what? About half a million DL retirees? How often are 9E employees really bumping them on flights? Proportionally it's probably not happening excess, here and there but you're retired take the next flight and chances are there won't be any 9E people listed.

But 9E being wholly owned, everything they do is for and contributes to DL and all your profit sharing. It's very clearly different from the other contract regionals and Virgin. Also as a pilot I know it can be hard for us to remember there are things that go on in a company that don't involve flying and there are other employees who are equally as important that aren't pilots. Many many 9E corporate employees work side by side every day with DL employees doing work directly for Delta and with Delta.

Shadre Reevis 08-24-2019 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by deerparkVOR (Post 2873487)
Just something to put it in perspective, 9E has about 4,000 total employees and there are what? About half a million DL retirees? How often are 9E employees really bumping them on flights? Proportionally it's probably not happening excess, here and there but you're retired take the next flight and chances are there won't be any 9E people listed.

But 9E being wholly owned, everything they do is for and contributes to DL and all your profit sharing. It's very clearly different from the other contract regionals and Virgin. Also as a pilot I know it can be hard for us to remember there are things that go on in a company that don't involve flying and there are other employees who are equally as important that aren't pilots. Many many 9E corporate employees work side by side every day with DL employees doing work directly for Delta and with Delta.

This is a very accurate perception of our role supporting Delta. Considering our direct support of Delta and its employees as a wholly-owned subsidiary, I'm surprised by the lack of support of working 9E crews from some Delta folks here. Our relationship is not even close to the same as other DC carriers.

Does anyone know what DALPA, or other mainline unions, are doing to bring their flying back in house? I'd be curious to know what Delta pilots would be willing to trade to take their flying back. Of course this is probably not the place to discuss, but all this talk of "hold the line on scope" and "take flying back in house" hasn't been backed by any action as long as I've been around. If no action is being taken in this environment, it probably never will.


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