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PilotJ3 08-18-2019 03:37 PM
I don’t mind the S3A, if is for the pilot/FA going to/from work. Their spouses, kids and themselves should be below retirees/DAL active employee parents for any other non-revenue travel.

That’s just my point of view, and I’ve been saying it for long time.

Baradium 08-18-2019 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by Slowtofinal (Post 2872341)
So y’all really think that Ed Bastian would rather have a retiree going to play golf make it on the airplane while an Endeavor pilot going to work -who is contributing to the continued success of Delta- gets left behind? It seems like Endeavor is treated as “part of DL” when it’s convenient, and treated as very, very separate when it’s not. Does AA allow retirees to go ahead of active wholly-owned employees? I’m asking because I don’t know...
On AA wholly-owned employees travel at the same priority as mainline employees. The order in a priority class is also determined by check in time so a new hire at Envoy can end up ahead of a 20 year mainline captain by checking in a few seconds earlier.

Baradium 08-18-2019 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 2872260)
SIAP, but talked to a recent retiree and he was really upset about this (change?) that puts Endeavor guys ahead of our retiree's. I wholeheartedly agree. I say we put this high on our list for the contract. Not right.
NW put RJ pilots (even non wholly owned) at the same priority as active employees by DOH. Comair and ASA travelled at S3 and had S2 passes for many years as well.

I'm more concerned with bringing the flying to our seniority list than worrying about what priority the pilots doing that flying travel at.

Meow1215 08-18-2019 03:45 PM
Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 2872362)
True but mainline is not their metal. Let me ask you this: Should compass, GoJet, Republic, and Skywest all go ahead of our retirees for vacation travel? Or just you guys? Our retirees gave a lot for this profession.
Does Delta have 100% ownership of compass, GoJet, Republic, and Skywest? If they do, yes. Your retirees did give allot for this profession. So do the Endeavor employees. You can see it in your profit sharing check among other things.

A simple solution to this problem is for DAL to bring all the regional flying back in house. No need to staple any regional to the bottom of the list. Just bring the flying back in house.

Meow1215 08-18-2019 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2872375)
I don’t mind the S3A, if is for the pilot/FA going to/from work. Their spouses, kids and themselves should be below retirees/DAL active employee parents for any other non-revenue travel.

That’s just my point of view, and I’ve been saying it for long time.
I'll counter S1A for endeavor commuting to work and from work, ahead of active DAL employees who are just traveling for leisure as well. Then yeah sure, the retirees can go ahead of Endeavor for leisure travel.

Guessing your not ok with Endeavor commuting to/from work going ahead of your S2/3 status?

PilotJ3 08-18-2019 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by Meow1215 (Post 2872382)
I'll counter S1A for endeavor commuting to work and from work, ahead of active DAL employees who are just traveling for leisure as well. Then yeah sure, the retirees can go ahead of Endeavor for leisure travel.

Guessing your not ok with Endeavor commuting to/from work going ahead of your S2/3 status?
As a matter of fact. I’ve also said before that Active employees should also get a higher priority commuting. Which would be ahead of 9E commuting ;)

S1A already exist and is for emergency situations.

Falcon20 08-18-2019 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by AimHigh1 (Post 2872343)
So explain to me why a Delta employee is S3 on an ENDEAVOR flight meanwhile an ENDEAVOR employee is also S3. If we want to go with your idea, Delta employees should be below Endeavor employees on their airplanes. What do you think about that? Oh I get it, because those airplanes are owned by DELTA. Is it starting to make a little more sense?
It’s a Delta flight subcontracted out to a regional airline partner. I think Delta employees should be S2/S3 on ALL flights.

Flame on

As Briefed 08-18-2019 04:25 PM
Deltr Air Lines is a subsidiary of Deltr Air Lines INC. but you knew that.

Silver02ex 08-18-2019 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2872378)
NW put RJ pilots (even non wholly owned) at the same priority as active employees by DOH. Comair and ASA travelled at S3 and had S2 passes for many years as well.
It wasn’t that way for NWA. NW employee, was listed as 5 on any NW or NW Airlink. Pinnacle, Mesaba and Compass was 5W on mainline. They still went behind NW retirees and parents who was listed as 5P/5R

GucciBoy 08-18-2019 05:15 PM
Originally Posted by Meow1215 (Post 2872382)
I'll counter S1A for endeavor commuting to work and from work, ahead of active DAL employees who are just traveling for leisure as well. Then yeah sure, the retirees can go ahead of Endeavor for leisure travel.



Guessing your not ok with Endeavor commuting to/from work going ahead of your S2/3 status?


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