According to the CDC website, 31.7% of all CDC deaths were age 85+, 26.5% age 75-84, and 21.1% age 65-74. That’s 79.3% of all COVID deaths in the US were age 65 or older. Protect those at risk, let the others get on with life. By the way, for all those states that have shot down their schools, looks like only 95 total deaths are age 0-17.

 

Why do people think this is possible? How does a 65 year old go to the grocery store safely? How does a 50 year old at risk teacher go to school? How does a young low risk nurse at a senior citizens home avoid interacting with the residents? You cannot identify all vulnerable people and completely isolate them from society. The only way to slow the spread and minimize deaths is to reduce human interaction as much as possible. Allowing low risk individuals to go about their lives as if COVID isn't a thing will just make it spread faster which WILL cause the high risk people to catch it.

 

Just hide until it goes away. I’m glad we as a country can financially, psychologically, and physically handle this. This is such a shortsighted cost. Staying home has measurable results against COVID whilst the other factors aren’t being measured. I truly wonder what’s the better option. No wonder why so many feel like it’s safer at home. I think it might be way more dangerous hiding in the long run. But that’s future America’s problem.

 

What I am trying to reconcile is ...in 2017, due to natural attritian, 40% of anyone 80 or over died.. Those are numbers pre Covid. With 14 million Americans 80 plus years old, roughly 500,000 die every month(due to complication of old age and all other factors) If they have a 10% Covid infection rate, that means 50,000 per month die with "Covid"...but they were gonna die anyway, even without Covid. Since the vast majority of Covid deaths are elderly, are the Covid deaths really Covid deaths or really just normal attrition?

Am I misunderstanding the numbers I cited or losing a decimal place? Something, anything, that explains what at first blush appears to be "as expected" mortality numbers for the 80+ demographic

.IOW 200,000 Covid deaths....of which( 60%) or 120,000 are 75 + but they were going to be statistics anyway.

 

Is it the best course of action... no, but that's what happens when there is no top down leadership. Even an imperfect national strategy is better than nothing.

Agreed, but our political landscape makes it impossible to accurately get the data. It would be great if we had national and detailed data about our country. That way we could make more accurate data driven policy, but politics won't allow that. The parties build their platforms on ideals rather than facts, so if we decide to get the data, that might show that a party was wrong about a policy and no one wants to admit that.

So many problems in our country could be solved with data. But that would be scary because then the government could track us. Instead, we give our data away to countless companies without thinking about it. The sad thing is, most tech and healthcare companies probably have a better picture of the pandemic than our actual government.

 

Additionally, our country is such a varied landscape, what may be appropriate measures for rural Iowa may not be feasible in downtown Chicago. Even similarly sized urban areas differ greatly in population density and climate (e.g. OKC vs. LAS vs. BWI). Even within a single state, measures in Seattle might not be appropriate for Spokane.

A5S

 

As a UNAcorn, coming to the 1721 thread for info, can you please, for the love of all that is holy and good, take the medical discussion somewhere else....like here:

Argue Masks / CDC / Politics Here!!!!

Thanks!

 

Don't worry, the airline stimulus bills is in the politician's hands. What could possibly go wrong?

 

Well in their defense it is pretty slow.

LOA is out for a vote, won't know results until EOM.

CARES is in the politicians hands and they are, well, politicking

Nothing new from management other than same FUD.

Folks are going to drift a bit. It should pick up once we get closer to end of month.

 

And there used to be a thread that was dedicated to masks...CDC...and politics. Until it got locked. I personally thought it corralled these types of discussions pretty well

Of course JMHO....and those topics are airline related...again JMHO