Thats the thing Cog, as an Endeavor Air employee they work for Delta Air Lines Inc, as is the employees of Delta Private Jets. As a matter of fact, Delta receives several tax breaks because Endeavor employees are “Delta employees”. The thing is, you are no longer a Delta employee in anyway, shape, or form, you separated when you retired.

The real question is why are you so worried about maybe 4-6,000 people?
How many people does DAL hire each year? Would something magically change for you if Endeavor was absorbed into the mainline brand DAL overnight?
Should former Northwest pilots receive something less because they were “acquired not hired” and are not actually Delta?

I really do not understand your elitism here, that is what it is. You think your better because you had a double breasted suit for 20 years and you are owed something in perpetuity ahead of the regional trash and their family that are beneath you because you flew “mainline Delta’s”.

 

Wow, again with the insults and insinuations. Retiree non revving was changed for the worse with this addition of S3A. I don't agree with it and would like my union to try and modify it. Nothing more. You and others here are really inflaming this discussion with insults and false accusations. No one on my side of the argument has called your side "trash" or disparaged you in any way. But your claims of elitism, "spoiled", and now this reference to our NWA merger with "acquired not hired" are new lows for reasonable discussions. This is about protecting my well earned retirement benefits. Oh, and I was with Delta for 32 years and 20 days.

 

Oh and i think you're parsing words trying to convince me that Endeavor pilots ARE Delta pilots. When Delta was using many regionals to do their flying, most notably ComAir and ASA, did anyone consider those pilots to be Delta pilots??? Weren't one or both of those carriers "wholly owned at one time? What's the difference? I suspect what makes Endeavor being a wholly owned subsidiary today was for tax and financial considerations.
Again, no one is disputing Endeavor's value and importance to the corporation. But this is about Delta pilot retirement benefits being eroded by this change.

 

Cog, it is simple. Simple to the point where this horse has been brought to the glue factory several times over by reasonable ACTIVE Delta pilots, edv pilots, and pilots with no skin in the game. You're no longer active, which seems to be the only group aside from the elitist crowd that has a problem with edv pilots getting to/from work in front of you. Put down the keyboard, take off the hat, and wait for the personalized 'RETIRED767WIDGT' plates to come in the mail. I can't for the life of me figure out why someone who's sitting on a pile of money like you are would be spending their priceless time banging away on the keyboard about a few thousand regional guys/gals getting to and from work. Happy trails.

 

There are 3500 pilot retirees that have no pile of money and no real bennies other than S3B, which is now as worthless as an S4. It will be interesting to see how things turn out for you.

 

‘If you go back and actually read his posts, he doesn’t have a problem with active EDV pilots getting to and from work priority. It’s when they and their families get priority over retirees when they are NOT going to/from work. I agree with him.

Denny

 

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!!

 

So any entity that Delta would purchase, like a hotel chain, a car rental agency, a cruise line, those employees get the EDV deal? Because airlines have made these acquisitions in the past.

 

Well I think any entity that was purchased would get endeavors original deal, which meant no one could commute to base, because IF there were seats, the retirees gobbled them up. If the hotel chain owned by delta double books and 30 flights get cancelled the every morning because the crew never got rest, and somehow pass benefits fix the problem the cheapest, then say hello to Helga and Bonita in Comfort+.

Weird example I know, but the EDV deal saved flights and money. There should be a way to get guys back and forth from work without drama, especially when we own them and theyre running profitable flights. How much brainpower and negotiating power we use to fix thie problem might be better served in another area but we dont know unless we try.

 

I'm sorry, but I can't resist...If it has been posted already, my apologies. CRS disease.

Commuting is a choice!