Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
03-01-2021, 04:46 AM
#1071
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
When was the USERRA dispensation cutoff? Arent orders exempt, per LOA, until 2023?
not positive though
03-01-2021, 05:02 AM
#1072
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I could see the next AE being NYC220B positions only. It would be a paper bid just to assign affected pilots. The following bid would be the big 365 bid with a handful of 220 displacements because oops... Unless there’s something contractually preventing it. Cruel and unusual for sure but it would allow them to stack the training as the see fit. If this is as dire a situation as some think, then anything is possible.
03-01-2021, 07:25 AM
#1073
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Originally Posted by TED74
I’m not following you. If it were only NYC220B, that would be a massive number requiring way more than a handful of displacements on the subsequent AE. And a displaced pilot doesn’t have a seat lock to my knowledge...so that’s it’s own kicked-can. Add in displacement expenses and I think this COA has to be pretty unlikely?
03-01-2021, 07:28 AM
#1074
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Somewhat amazed to see more that 12000+ pilots on the seniority list coupled with an all hands on deck message.
Whatever happened to a much smaller, leaner airline?
No complaints, of course. Just interesting.
Whatever happened to a much smaller, leaner airline?
No complaints, of course. Just interesting.
03-01-2021, 07:35 AM
#1075
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Somewhat amazed to see more that 12000+ pilots on the seniority list coupled with an all hands on deck message.
Whatever happened to a much smaller, leaner airline?
No complaints, of course. Just interesting.
Whatever happened to a much smaller, leaner airline?
No complaints, of course. Just interesting.
We also said that they cut too deep too fast.
We are smaller and leaner. We have been since 2019. Just more so now. Never let a crisis go to waste am-I-right?
03-01-2021, 07:49 AM
#1076
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Originally Posted by Drum
Circleback on this in September after summer flying is complete and juxtapose active flying personnel count to the total number of GSs that were awarded, number of re-routes etc.
We also said that they cut too deep too fast.
We are smaller and leaner. We have been since 2019. Just more so now. Never let a crisis go to waste am-I-right?
We also said that they cut too deep too fast.
We are smaller and leaner. We have been since 2019. Just more so now. Never let a crisis go to waste am-I-right?
I got hired 2020 so I wasn't here. But I think if flying is back in 23 close to 19 levels, we will accomplish that with a lot of new hires but also a lot of green slips. Also feels like going into this short staffed only helped us prevent furloughs, on top of a successful VEOP.
03-01-2021, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
IMO, the next AE will really be for affected pilots.
WB B will be in the AE after that, which will also include WB A and many NB A, etc.
The effect being, as several other have pointed out, those who don’t want to stay NYC NB will get a seat lock on the second AE, and never train on the AE that returns them from affected status.
Again, my opinion only.
WB B will be in the AE after that, which will also include WB A and many NB A, etc.
The effect being, as several other have pointed out, those who don’t want to stay NYC NB will get a seat lock on the second AE, and never train on the AE that returns them from affected status.
Again, my opinion only.
03-01-2021, 08:04 AM
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Question for returning the affected pilots: As I understand it, affected pilots can bid via AE preferences to return to an active category and those proffers are ran after the AEs, but essentially can be processed with the same AE bid.
For those that decline to accept a proffer (via their AE bid in DBMS) it appears that the company must then post the unbid positions on DeltaNet, and announce that they will be assigned via inverse seniority and then wait 15 more days for affected pilots to provide preferences via MD bids in iCrew. Am I understanding the process correctly?
Timeline:
AE bid opens for 10 days that accepts AEs and proffers for active and affected pilots respectively. The company must process and award those AEs and proffers, then post mandatory recalls which gives remaining affected pilots 15 days to bid MD preferences for an inverse-seniority recall. So assuming instant processing times (I know right!?), it will be a minimum of 25 days before involuntary recalls are given an award. Also those involuntary returning affected pilots need at least 30 days notice of training. Realistically 60 days from posting of AE to training... So involuntary recalls of affected pilots likely not forced to train until mid May at the earliest?
For those that decline to accept a proffer (via their AE bid in DBMS) it appears that the company must then post the unbid positions on DeltaNet, and announce that they will be assigned via inverse seniority and then wait 15 more days for affected pilots to provide preferences via MD bids in iCrew. Am I understanding the process correctly?
Timeline:
AE bid opens for 10 days that accepts AEs and proffers for active and affected pilots respectively. The company must process and award those AEs and proffers, then post mandatory recalls which gives remaining affected pilots 15 days to bid MD preferences for an inverse-seniority recall. So assuming instant processing times (I know right!?), it will be a minimum of 25 days before involuntary recalls are given an award. Also those involuntary returning affected pilots need at least 30 days notice of training. Realistically 60 days from posting of AE to training... So involuntary recalls of affected pilots likely not forced to train until mid May at the earliest?
03-01-2021, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
Was going to say, wasn't this airline slim during summer of 19 anyways? Like really slim for that level of flying...
I got hired 2020 so I wasn't here. But I think if flying is back in 23 close to 19 levels, we will accomplish that with a lot of new hires but also a lot of green slips. Also feels like going into this short staffed only helped us prevent furloughs, on top of a successful VEOP.
I got hired 2020 so I wasn't here. But I think if flying is back in 23 close to 19 levels, we will accomplish that with a lot of new hires but also a lot of green slips. Also feels like going into this short staffed only helped us prevent furloughs, on top of a successful VEOP.
The real reason was to save $$$. Keep staffing bare bones and let optimizer 6.9 run us into the ground.
I don't see that changing whatsoever.
No way they can train enough for all the unaffected to be ready for summer flying. We might get some on the line by mid July. They waited too long.
Like Trip has said many times: we are going to be in the GS for those who want to work and in the right category(s) it will be a very, very lucrative summer.
03-01-2021, 08:28 AM
#1080
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Originally Posted by Humbleavi8t0r
Logically, it only makes sense to post the WB As and Bs first. Then a clean up AE afterwards (but not much of a seat lock for the returning UNAs).
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