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03-01-2021, 11:09 AM

#1081

notEnuf

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Originally Posted by TED74

I’m not following you. If it were only NYC220B, that would be a massive number requiring way more than a handful of displacements on the subsequent AE. And a displaced pilot doesn’t have a seat lock to my knowledge...so that’s it’s own kicked-can. Add in displacement expenses and I think this COA has to be pretty unlikely?

On second thought that’s probably too pessimistic and Machiavellian. Probably some NYC73NB and NYC320B but they could lateral out without a lock. Somebody must be displaced for a 365 AE. My thought was that only a single category would cause everyone to bid a different aircraft to get out of NYC220B thereby locking them.

03-01-2021, 11:52 AM

#1082

GeneralLee

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Originally Posted by Bergman

Well, yes, it would make sense. Which is exactly why they are doing the opposite. 🙄

My thoughts exactly! Why do something that makes logical sense first? This is what got us into this staffing mess in the first place.

I hope everyone keeps a long memory. Soon enough we will be back in section 6 talks. The company will want training relief amongst other issues. Time to pay up. Retro as well.

03-01-2021, 12:16 PM

#1083

MitchRapp

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Originally Posted by tcco94

Was going to say, wasn't this airline slim during summer of 19 anyways? Like really slim for that level of flying...

I got hired 2020 so I wasn't here. But I think if flying is back in 23 close to 19 levels, we will accomplish that with a lot of new hires but also a lot of green slips. Also feels like going into this short staffed only helped us prevent furloughs, on top of a successful VEOP.

If I remember correctly we were staffed at about 90-95% for summer 2019 which is the top end of their summer 21 estimate. Going go be interesting to watch for sure.

I also remember a certain exec saying they wouldn't run us that hot again.

Last edited by MitchRapp; 03-01-2021 at 12:57 PM.

03-01-2021, 12:24 PM

#1084

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Originally Posted by Viking busdvr

So only male flight attendants will be allowed to crew it?? I’m confused..

LOL nice catch. Thanks autocorrect. Changes "in the van" to "in the can" every time but lets that slide

03-01-2021, 12:28 PM

#1085

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Originally Posted by gloopy

Probably DFW and BOS. It'll be the new "FLAGSHIP" so it can only be used on the longest routes with 1 landing every 16 flight hours so A's will make 1M and B's 500K doing the LCA/GS pump and dump. True story.

Thanks for nothing ducking autocorrect

03-01-2021, 12:35 PM

#1086

Danger Close

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International flights are still abysmal. Is this “all hands on deck” more of a move to avoid training all the displacements and then reversing with the recovery ?

03-01-2021, 12:36 PM

#1087

gloopy

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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

...the tipped employee would have a different rate just like now.

Depends. Talked to a waiter in LAX a year or so ago and he said they all get the mandated 15 plus all tips. Same for van drivers in some markets as well, plus most if not all airline contracts include tips paid by the company to the drivers included automatically.

All I ask is we stop tipping for the asinine maneuver where they randomly unload the bags then stand behind the pile while we literally trip over ourselves throwing them money as they stand almost out of reach and smile as it happens.

And as always, whatever van driver guilt trip you have, the people who clean the rooms deserve twice as much.

03-01-2021, 12:39 PM

#1088

PilotBases

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Arguments about tipping return, nature is healing!

03-01-2021, 01:56 PM

#1089

tcco94

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danger Close

International flights are still abysmal. Is this “all hands on deck” more of a move to avoid training all the displacements and then reversing with the recovery ?

Surely if you wait to train until the flights are loaded we will be behind the curve and not catch up for years, especially with a decent amount of retirements every year.

03-02-2021, 03:32 AM

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Tailhookah

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

If we haven’t done it since the 1997, we’re not going to do it now.

How will that pay work out? You do know there’s quite a difference in pay between the two. You think the big D will just bring the 757 rates up to the 767-400? No. It’s not going to happen. UAL also effed that up with the FAA anyways. Wouldn’t be allowed even if we wanted to...