Farmlover

I’ll stick to my zero emissions Diesel truck.

450knotOffice

The difference in design aesthetics and build quality in both the exterior and (especially) the interior really sets those two cars apart. This is what Porsche does (quality) and is their heritage, as you call it.

Trip7

To Tesla's advantage, the QnA hurdle is much lower than the Dealership hurdle traditional manufacturers have to jump. With dealerships making most of their money from maintenance the business model becomes completely irrevelent with EVs.

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Aero1900

Is it broken down in your backyard?

GeneralLee

An often overlooked important point. Very refreshing even taking a test drive. The most low key, no pressure time I’ve ever had looking at a vehicle for purchase.

The industry disruption is happening. It will be good when the dust settles in a decade.

Very intrigued to see how Rivian’s launch goes this summer.

Tank turn in a truck? Sign me up!

Bucking Bar

Camry is E Class sized.

Haven't owned a new Mercedes, but in 2016 the build quality was ((meh)) Nothing like our older W210 wagon that I kept. Traded the Mercedes for the Model 3 and while the interior of the Model 3 isn't fancy looking, the seats are TONS better, the drivetrain MUCH MUCH better than the Mercedes. Tesla is taking sales from eveyone, but BMW and Mercedes are losing a lot of customers to Tesla. I won't go back and I had been a pretty regular E Class buyer for the wife.

The Mercedes took $125+ oil changes. Did the $700 transmission service myself because of all the internet rumors of failures. Then ate a $1,600 engine mount just out of warranty and had an occasional misfire that I suspect was a coil pack going bad; all at less than 60,000 miles. Mercedes does a lot of STUPID stuff with materials these days and that impacts the longevity of parts. Why would the valves for the variable intake linkages be plastic? Why does the engine mount need to be an oil reservoir with a switch, after pumping up the power and putting an AMG suspension on the thing? With every insult intended to Mercedes engineers, they are building a power car and trading on people who buy the brand and not the product >>> product isn't up to Mercedes' pre 2000's standard. The A Class is a Corolla for all intents and purposes.

The Camry (just rented one for a week) is a torture chamber. Lousy throttle response. Terrible seats. Toyota builds cars for people who really hate cars (and I imagine they like them).

Porsche is still building Porsche level cars (actually better than when they were an enthusiasts brand). The Tayacan is way down on interior space and I find the design a bit weird. The base model Tayacan is probably a great car for the money. Less so for the "Turbo" WTAF that means. The drawback with the Porsche and upcoming Audi is the charging infrastructure just isn't there. .... and the Tesla Model Y (which is what we were discussing) adapts well to being plugged in to anything from a 115V or 240V home plug to a camper style 14-50 to Tesla's Supercharger network.

Bucking Bar

Went to California and got to hang with the Rivian folks for an hour. The truck is awesome. IMHO will be much more of a finished product than Tesla was when it launched. Beautiful design and interior. Sized a bit big for my needs. Wish that I had placed an order. The pro & con is that it is a beautiful truck. I would wash and wax it. I would not drive it through the woods.

The Cyber Truck is the exact opposite. It is basically an armored personnel carrier & cheap to buy. The first thing I do will be to aim it off-road and I don't know why you would wash it. I may put Hillary stickers on one side and Marjorie Taylor Greene stickers on the other a Mexican Flag on the bumper and keep the sentry mode videos to watch while I sip beverages.....

The Dude's CyberTruck will abide ... "come at me bro"

Bucking Bar

Ioniq 5 is a neat design, MHO. The battery is based on the Bolt (from what I understand). It will be RWD (AWD optional). VW is in the club too. These legacy auto manufacturers design systems independently, while Tesla takes a holistic approach to energy management. In a Tesla the cooling system for the battery is also the air conditioning for the car. The autopilot is deeply integrated (and in many ways never completely off). A Tesla is an Airbus. Everything else is a 737 classic (not the NG). The difference is about a 15% to 20% efficiency boost to Tesla which translates directly into performance and range.

The legacy automakers are not only encumbered with legacy thinking, they are limited by legacy suppliers. Nobody else has the MATERIALS or integration that Tesla has, because, Tesla builds nearly all their components themselves. Tesla insources chip making, materials development and frequently works with Space X on the alloys used in production.

Part of the reason the CyberTruck is built of it's proprietary stainless alloy is to lower production costs of the stuff for Space X's rockets. Nobody really knows what Tesla's drive units are made of. They conduct electricity in ways that normal alloys do not.

I am a huge fan of the new Cadillac Electric designs. Hopefully, they have next-gen level engineering behind them. As of yet, I do not think anyone except for Porsche has even matched the 2012 Tesla Model S.

Grumpyaviator

I like the 14mpg on my 6.4l Ram better than this...

https://www.instituteforenergyresear...ium-batteries/

But the performance of EVs is incredible and to be able to charge in the garage of an off-grid home would be awesome.

53x11

Hey Bucking Bar, what’s the aftermarket parts like for Tesla? I.E., interior carpet, mats, upholstery. I’ve seen some aftermarket body wraps that looked pretty sick. You mentioned in an earlier post the brakes. Could you buy a set of brakes at AutoZone, Oreilly’s, etc., to replace the OEM? If theoretically you could, does Tesla not warrant the vehicle if you do? For example in the 90’s when flying corporate, my best friend and his dad had a filter business. All kinds of filters. One day he was curious and wanted to cross reference part numbers to filters on our Hawker. He had a match for every single filter. Of course no PMA stamp, but they would’ve worked. I laughed at your mention of a suspect coil pack. Some of the early Ford Expeditions had that very issue. PITA!