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Old 05-04-2021 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I was hires 30 plus years ago before any of the airlines had any real scope. United had far more widebodies back then also. They have always had more. The unmentioned part was that through most of my career Delta had far more midsized aircraft (757/767) so it evened out over a career.
NWA had the big and small but little middle. DAL has gone little big and big little with the middle TBD. We don't buy jets, they will do what they see as market based. Anything over 300 seats or ULH is a pipe dream, we need to face reality and act accordingly.
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Old 05-04-2021 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Drum
Whats the staffing formula on wide bodies again?

Yes, give me more of those please.
At United(which is what this comparative argument is about), it's 1 captain 3 First Officers....or are we gonna cherry pick?
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Old 05-04-2021 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Drum
Whats the staffing formula on wide bodies again?

Yes, give me more of those please.
The thing is, we don't get to choose. The WBs will/have gone to our subsidiaries first. It's all the same widget on the eticket.
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Old 05-04-2021 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
I completely 100% agree with this, when the flow went away, the LOA IMHO became null. Any future LOA or a re-visit to LOA 9 will need DALPA approval. LOA 2010-02 at CPZ had to be signed off by DL, DALPA, CPZ, and CPZ ALPA. Wouldn't any flow down provisions for a new flow down agreement need DALPA sign off. Seems to me that DALPA would hold all the cards to stop from making this happen. Like you said, I think DL just F'ed themselves on some back end RJ Section 1 scope.
They wrote into the contract what happens if the Compass deal went away. If what you post is true there would be zero reason to have added the section on Compass going away.
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Old 05-04-2021 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They wrote into the contract what happens if the Compass deal went away. If what you post is true there would be zero reason to have added the section on Compass going away.
What does happen now that Compass has gone away?
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Old 05-04-2021 | 09:21 AM
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According to the 10-K the contract for 4 A350s was terminated and 18 B777 and 56 767-300ERs were retired so the WB fleet is severely shrinking. Especially the highest paid positions.

Delta will operate what management decides to operate, not pilots.
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Old 05-04-2021 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
They don’t want a flow so bad, they published a memo stating they’re evaluating flow programs.
SO what do you think the pilots' sentiment towards it would be? For? Against? If against, is it worth 'paying' something to ensure it dies before being born? Maybe management has no interest either, but are using it to get us to spend capital for nothing.

All I can say is that I had a senior flight ops VP on my jumpseat once a few years ago, and he told me that because of the attitudes displayed some from the last flow thru, if he had any say in the matter there would never be another. Take that for what it's worth. Now I freely admit that person is no longer here, but I am sure his feelings were not solitary. It won't affect me one way or another, but I would personally be against it.

If they really do want it, then it has value. What is it worth? I'd trade a little bottom end for a lot of top end.
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Old 05-04-2021 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
According to the 10-K the contract for 4 A350s was terminated and 18 B777 and 56 767-300ERs were retired so the WB fleet is severely shrinking. Especially the highest paid positions.

Delta will operate what management decides to operate, not pilots.
We only had 56 7Er’s. Are they all parked?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We only had 56 7Er’s. Are they all parked?
Actually they parked 72 ERs and 400 330s..
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Old 05-04-2021 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We only had 56 7Er’s. Are they all parked?
767-300ER, 56, December 2025
We took a $1.084B restructuring charge to retire them.
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