35 Large RJs coming back?
05-04-2021 | 06:51 AM
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I don’t think they’re worried about what we think. I think they need seats flying passengers and know they don’t have training capacity to grow our fleet much. Those RJs are a big shiny solution for them in the near term. If an arbitrator rules they violated scope with them, they will park them having bought some time. Best case for management is a grievance gets denied and they keep flying them. I think it’s a short term gamble for capacity.
05-04-2021 | 06:53 AM
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This is a shot across the bow at ALPA. They want to negotiate for the RJs back and are threatening to act unilaterally to implement a flow program to get them back anyway if ALPA isn't willing to play ball to their liking. I find it very hard to believe the fourth floor has suddenly warmed up to flow programs.
05-04-2021 | 07:16 AM
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I have no problems with a flow (probably good to have RJ guys who have been doing the same job as us, except harder, for a few years anyway). But we need to fight the 35 RJs. Every little scope issue matters and costs us real mainline jobs. Also, I don't trust this MEC chairman so we all need to be very careful.
05-04-2021 | 07:18 AM
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05-04-2021 | 07:33 AM
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05-04-2021 | 07:41 AM
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According to PB it’s not compass specific. Here are the words he used and there is an important distinction in his choice of words. Here is what he said “Exception Two of the PWA requires that either (1) the hiring and flow provisions of LOA #9 must exist at Compass or another carrier...” The use of the term another carrier is concern that they feel they have the option to find another carrier on their own to fulfill the LOA.
05-04-2021 | 07:48 AM
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According to PB it’s not compass specific. Here are the words he used and there is an important distinction in his choice of words. Here is what he said “Exception Two of the PWA requires that either (1) the hiring and flow provisions of LOA #9 must exist at Compass or another carrier...” The use of the term another carrier is concern that they feel they have the option to find another carrier on their own to fulfill the LOA.
Here's the first line.
This Letter of Agreement is made and entered into under the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, between Delta Air Lines, Inc. ( “Delta”) and the Air Line Pilots Association, International (the “Association”) and Compass Airlines, Inc. (“Compass”) and the Association.
05-04-2021 | 07:51 AM
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I understand that BUT, the ratios and flow down agreement specifically refer to Compass. There would have to be another agreement to flow us down to another carrier. The company can't just unilaterally give us a flow down at their convenience. Or so that's how I understand it.
05-04-2021 | 07:54 AM
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According to PB it’s not compass specific. Here are the words he used and there is an important distinction in his choice of words. Here is what he said “Exception Two of the PWA requires that either (1) the hiring and flow provisions of LOA #9 must exist at Compass or another carrier...” The use of the term another carrier is concern that they feel they have the option to find another carrier on their own to fulfill the LOA.
it’s seems to me obvious that the company cannot simply substitute EndeavorAir for Compass without our consent. I also think this would need to go to the membership for a vote.
I think we all need to realize that we just gained back bottom end scope. Giving that up is not a very palatable option and will cost a lot. Let’s get a list going for what is the price are we willing to sell 35RJs of scope.
Mine starts with
1) much improved international scope
and
2) profit sharing formula back to 2012 formula or better
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