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Old 06-26-2021 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
If that’s the case, why go through all the fiasco?

Not trying to be smart here either.

Because if they win, they get scope for nothing (a flow down that will never be used).

They know they’ll need the lift eventually. We’ve also made it abundantly clear: Scope is not for sale. This is their cheapest option. They lose, they are back to where they were last month. They win though…

If they lose and try to negotiate, they know a TA that increases RJ flying by even 1 jet is DOA.

I’ll say it again for the folks in the back, Scope is not for sale.
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Old 06-26-2021 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
Because if they win, they get scope for nothing (a flow down that will never be used).

They know they’ll need the lift eventually. We’ve also made it abundantly clear: Scope is not for sale. This is their cheapest option. They lose, they are back to where they were last month. They win though…

If they lose and try to negotiate, they know a TA that increases RJ flying by even 1 jet is DOA.

I’ll say it again for the folks in the back, Scope is not for sale.
Makes sense, thanks. And anything that erodes scope is a no vote from me.
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Old 06-27-2021 | 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
If that’s the case, why go through all the fiasco?

Not trying to be smart here either.
Basically what Wolf said. They seem to take any opportunity to try and erode the PWA and this is just another example of that. They don't seem too worried about effects on pilot morale or the vaunted "Delta Difference."
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Old 06-27-2021 | 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
Because if they win, they get scope for nothing (a flow down that will never be used).

They know they’ll need the lift eventually. We’ve also made it abundantly clear: Scope is not for sale. This is their cheapest option. They lose, they are back to where they were last month. They win though…

If they lose and try to negotiate, they know a TA that increases RJ flying by even 1 jet is DOA.

I’ll say it again for the folks in the back, Scope is not for sale.
You are exactly right. Us and our regional partners couldn’t staff 35 extra airplanes today worth of flying. They get a free half court shot here to try and get a huge win. If they miss, nothing gained nothing lost. If they manage to make this shot—ALPA weakens it’s position and the company gets a huge win.

LOA should have been redacted the day Compass went out of business. Hopefully this gets killed and we order more mainline planes after they rule in our favor, which I believe happens anyways.
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Old 06-27-2021 | 05:41 AM
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Is there a timeline when this ruling is expected to happen?
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Old 06-27-2021 | 05:53 AM
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Is there a timeline when this ruling is expected to happen?
Expedited Arbitrator hearing is scheduled for 13-15 July.
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Old 06-27-2021 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
Because if they win, they get scope for nothing (a flow down that will never be used).

They know they’ll need the lift eventually. We’ve also made it abundantly clear: Scope is not for sale. This is their cheapest option. They lose, they are back to where they were last month. They win though…

If they lose and try to negotiate, they know a TA that increases RJ flying by even 1 jet is DOA.

I’ll say it again for the folks in the back, Scope is not for sale.
Agreed 👍

Thanks
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Old 06-28-2021 | 07:32 AM
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The large RJs are the economic bridge for the 50 seat market. 110 seats may be too great a leap so 76 is the fix. That's fine, I'd fly a 76 seat jet for the right pay and schedule. The entire business plan has been about efficiencies via up gauging, judging from this month the old business plan (pre-pandemic) is alive and well.
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Old 06-28-2021 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The large RJs are the economic bridge for the 50 seat market. 110 seats may be too great a leap so 76 is the fix. That's fine, I'd fly a 76 seat jet for the right pay and schedule. The entire business plan has been about efficiencies via up gauging, judging from this month the old business plan (pre-pandemic) is alive and well.
What would the 'right schedule' be. They would fly exactly the same kind of thing they do at the regionals. I would bet it might even be a little more egregious in order to be profitable at a higher hourly rate.
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Old 06-28-2021 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
What would the 'right schedule' be. They would fly exactly the same kind of thing they do at the regionals. I would bet it might even be a little more egregious in order to be profitable at a higher hourly rate.
I still haven't seen a good costing of efficiencies if there is no redundant company or DCI. When they want to justify a merger or integrate a JV, they call it synergies. The right schedule would mean I'm uber-senior and 1 or 2 day trips. It's just another aircraft/fleet type. Put 0 seats in it and haul cargo, I don't really care what's behind the door. And that goes for all our aircraft/fleets.
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