35 Large RJs coming back?
05-26-2021 | 01:49 PM
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05-26-2021 | 02:03 PM
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This is deltas band-aid on how they handled the pandemic...they could careless about a flow up or down. They just want those rjs so they don't have another Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter situation this late summer/fall. Just happens loa 9 is tied to a flow.
05-26-2021 | 02:16 PM
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05-26-2021 | 02:52 PM
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Contract law is very grey. The one problem Delta will have is they knew Compass was closing before the pandemic, yet they never worked on a flow down agreement with another carrier. Then the pandemic hit. Instead of creating a new flow down, they decided to send out warn notices and then furlough notices. This is acting in bad faith.
The union called them out on the over utilization in violation of scope this fall. They know they are going to lose this case in arbitration. Now that they need the aircraft due to recovery, they have come up with a plan flow up/down with EDV. The questions Delta will have to answer is why now and not last year to create a flow down. Why did they send out furlough notices and not create a flow down agreement first.
There is also a problem with the 35 aircraft from Compass; they are over the contracted allowable MTOW in the PWA. Compass could operate the heavier aircraft on their certificate, but I don't think this is permitted per the PWA now that Compass does not exist.
The problem with the RLA and arbitration is they do favor the corporations due to commerce. I guess we will see.
The union called them out on the over utilization in violation of scope this fall. They know they are going to lose this case in arbitration. Now that they need the aircraft due to recovery, they have come up with a plan flow up/down with EDV. The questions Delta will have to answer is why now and not last year to create a flow down. Why did they send out furlough notices and not create a flow down agreement first.
There is also a problem with the 35 aircraft from Compass; they are over the contracted allowable MTOW in the PWA. Compass could operate the heavier aircraft on their certificate, but I don't think this is permitted per the PWA now that Compass does not exist.
The problem with the RLA and arbitration is they do favor the corporations due to commerce. I guess we will see.
I think flow-up will likely happen at Endeavor regardless of the 35 RJs. The pilot hiring shortage will be back sooner than we think and they like cheap (cheap for Delta to implement) carrots to hire at the regionals.
Flow down, on the other hand, is pretty much worthless without MUCH stronger language.
I don't blame 9E ALPA one bit. From their perspective, this is a slam dunk. The industry as a whole suffers if this agreement passes arbitration, but I don't expect 9E ALPA to fall on the sword when Delta can easily run to another carrier. This is just another flavor of reginal whipsaw, except this time it affects mainline jobs as well.
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05-26-2021 | 04:16 PM
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Pretty much sums it up. Good post.
I think flow-up will likely happen at Endeavor regardless of the 35 RJs. The pilot hiring shortage will be back sooner than we think and they like cheap (cheap for Delta to implement) carrots to hire at the regionals.
Flow down, on the other hand, is pretty much worthless without MUCH stronger language.
I don't blame 9E ALPA one bit. From their perspective, this is a slam dunk. The industry as a whole suffers if this agreement passes arbitration, but I don't expect 9E ALPA to fall on the sword when Delta can easily run to another carrier. This is just another flavor of reginal whipsaw, except this time it affects mainline jobs as well.
I think flow-up will likely happen at Endeavor regardless of the 35 RJs. The pilot hiring shortage will be back sooner than we think and they like cheap (cheap for Delta to implement) carrots to hire at the regionals.
Flow down, on the other hand, is pretty much worthless without MUCH stronger language.
I don't blame 9E ALPA one bit. From their perspective, this is a slam dunk. The industry as a whole suffers if this agreement passes arbitration, but I don't expect 9E ALPA to fall on the sword when Delta can easily run to another carrier. This is just another flavor of reginal whipsaw, except this time it affects mainline jobs as well.
Thank you. Yes, I don't like the scope give one bit, but being asked to to put our jobs at risk over your contact dispute rankles...
05-26-2021 | 05:04 PM
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Delta would still prefer to be extremely selective in their interview process, especially with all the wokeness they have been preaching lately via social media.
05-26-2021 | 05:20 PM
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The only obvious intention is if DAL has furloughed pilots then they should be flowed down to DCI, or DAL is obligated to reduce it’s outsourcing.
It doesn’t look like anything has to be reinterpreted.
What event triggered LOA 9 to be written? Why did the union sign it?
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05-26-2021 | 06:44 PM
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And I'll continue to was them until all Delta branded flying is done by Delta pilots.
1. All flying performed by or for the Company or any Company affiliate will be performed by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA.
The exceptions are what created this mess.
1. All flying performed by or for the Company or any Company affiliate will be performed by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA.
The exceptions are what created this mess.
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