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Old 05-28-2021 | 04:58 AM
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Tie them to Widebody airframes. Stop worrying about nickels when you should get Benajmins.

In other words... call their bluff.
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Old 05-28-2021 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Tie them to Widebody airframes. Stop worrying about nickels when you should get Benajmins.

In other words... call their bluff.
Talk about fantasies... When has Delta agreed to that, in section 6 or by LOA. Pilots don't buy airplanes.
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Old 05-28-2021 | 05:54 AM
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Let's all keep in mind there is some rah-rah crap going on, and we've explored most avenues. There's not gonna be much new info or new points to discuss.

If Delta is in fact confident of their point, then they will take this all the way to the arbitrator. If they don't feel confident, they will negotiate out of this before its time to arbitrate, and theres a big piece we could grab. Take that ****ing widebody scope back to 50/50.
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Old 05-28-2021 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
Let's all keep in mind there is some rah-rah crap going on, and we've explored most avenues. There's not gonna be much new info or new points to discuss.

If Delta is in fact confident of their point, then they will take this all the way to the arbitrator. If they don't feel confident, they will negotiate out of this before its time to arbitrate, and theres a big piece we could grab. Take that ****ing widebody scope back to 50/50.
Go to arbitration.

DAL loses arbitration.

No agreement. No negotiating. No more LOAs.

Engage in section 6, amend our PWA to reflect our trajectory back to 2019 levels and beyond. All while your 35 RJs collect dust in the desert.

Or bring them here and staple EDV.
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Old 05-28-2021 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
I’m interested to see the timeline for this. I don’t think Delta gives a rip as long as they can drag this out until October 1. It’s a band aid to put on their mistakes for the summer IMO.
Agreed. They retired all the 88s and 90s. A lot of 717s still parked or gone..They put themselves in a pickle. Just think how much revenue we are going to lose this summer due to lack of aircraft. Poor mgmt decisions.
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Old 05-28-2021 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Whoa I didn't realize the AIP with Endeavor was a copy and paste they made it sound like it was a real negotiation

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Acording to our MEC on their latest on-air with the chair, the negotiation was "LOA 9 as is, take it or leave it. We need an answer by next week"
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Old 05-28-2021 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
LOA 9 applies to the sale of Compass, and Compass no long being an affiliate carrier. Not "another carrier." The entire LOA has Compass specific language for the Compass specific remedy required by exception 2.
Except that the Compass language was previously used to justify the Mesaba flow, setting a precedent...
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Old 05-28-2021 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingfiddler
Acording to our MEC on their latest on-air with the chair, the negotiation was "LOA 9 as is, take it or leave it. We need an answer by next week"
Bookings are soaring, we are going to spill a lot of revenue. They are spinning the mainline up as fast as they can. The lack of MD88’s is really hurting along with the huge churn on the 717.
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Old 05-28-2021 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
Go to arbitration.

DAL loses arbitration.

No agreement. No negotiating. No more LOAs.

Engage in section 6, amend our PWA to reflect our trajectory back to 2019 levels and beyond. All while your 35 RJs collect dust in the desert.

Or bring them here and staple EDV.
section 6 is not the end all be all. It is in fact the slowest form up improving the contract. I know some people are programmed into section 6 and "the fight", but a lot of us dont live for the fight. "Death by LOAs" isnt sexy, but it brings up the contract a little at a time at a reasonable pace.

I know it's counter intuitive, but you want to constantly be negotiating and passing crap across the table. If contract enforcement is doing their job theyve got a wishlist of compliance issues they'd like the language changed on. Constantly tiding up contract holes and improving the contract means when section 6 comes along you're not trying to eat the whole elephant in one bite.
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Old 05-28-2021 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingfiddler
Except that the Compass language was previously used to justify the Mesaba flow, setting a precedent...
Was it a flow up for recruiting or a flow back for furloughs? We have no language for a Mesaba flow back.
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