CGfalconHerc

Why would we ever agree to this? 35 RJ's..for a flow back? How many NWA DC9 guys flowed back to Compass..5? No..remember the RJDC..I was furloughed after 9/11..I remember the Comair guys with Guppy Killer stickers on their flight kits. If you want a job at Delta,
get an interview..and get hired. I say no to flow..jmho..

CG

ebl14

ALPA needs to use this to stop those 35 RJs from being outsourced again.

SoarHigh757

Problem I see there is whether Delta would ever be willing to pay the equivalent rates pilots would probably demand. Endeavor pilots, while well paid, still operate at far less pay while supporting Delta’s operation and filling those connecting hub seats.

A way I’ve tried to do a comparison is looking at the closest equivalent aircraft at Delta (the 717) to Endeavor’s largest fleet type (CRJ-900) to try to imagine what it looks like to the bean counters.

Delta 717 Hourly Rate in terms of per seat on the aircraft:
3 Year FO: $1.35/seat
5 Year CA: $2.20/seat

Endeavor CRJ-900 Hourly Rate in terms of per seat on the aircraft:
3 Year FO: $0.84/seat
5 Year CA: $1.32/seat

So a Delta captain makes equivalently 67% more per seat compared to an Endeavor captain, not to mention the vast difference in retirement contribution, per diem (29% more at Delta), profit sharing (none at Endeavor) and other benefits.

Denny Crane

Our contract has CRJ-900 rates. 5 year Captain rate is $172.92/hour and 5 year FO rate is $110.85/hour. For the 717 the 5 year Captain rate is $242.11/hour and the 5 year FO rate is $155.18/hour. Juuust a little bit different.

Denny

tipofthe

Delta CRJ-9 Hourly Rate in terms of per seat on the aircraft:
3 Year FO: $1.46/seat
5 Year CA: $2.28/seat

Trip7

Those 35 fairly new CRJ900s are already delivered and paid for. Folding our arms and telling Delta you're not getting them back or bring them to mainline is unrealistic and a recipe for failure. I can see the arbitrator awarding financial penalties to DALPA but I doubt they would force the company to park the RJs because the company was actually trying to follow the intent of the flowback LOA/MOU. 350 debacle 2.0.

We do have leverage and if used appropriately we can get alot of contractual improvements.

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AlphaBeta

How are they trying to meet the intent? They have to come for a new agreement with us, they are not doing that. I know that they follow the contract when it is convent, but with the end of compass this LOA is not worth the paper it is written on.

I want Delta to make the most money it can, and flying those RJs will help. But just arbitrarily taking a stance on an loa that has been invalid for almost a year is a very weird flex.

TED74

Wrong in so many ways. My arms are folded and my reps tell me theirs are as well.

The company is not trying to follow the intent of the flowback…the time to do that would have been when furloughs were likely and WARN letters were going out. Flowback negotiations without one party to the agreement even at the table is a clear violation of scope (should it result in additional RJs). The old LOA is as dead as Compass and any RJs management tries to bring here are additional…they aren’t “back.”

I’m happy to a get a_lot of contractual improvements with our abundant leverage. But no way will I support even one new RJ. Quit normalizing management’s egregious position…just stop it!

TED74

I don’t need Delta to make the most money it can, and thankfully that isn’t the purpose of Section 1. In many cases, Scope actually gets expensive (thank goodness). Scope is what protects our 30-year careers and the folks after us. Don’t give an inch with short term thinking about next year’s profit sharing check!

Trip7

I'm not normalizing their transgressions. I'm just being realistic. Yes Management has been extremely disrespectful and I'm completely onboard with fighting it by getting significant contractual improvements before the 35 RJs are returned.

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