35 Large RJs coming back?
05-19-2021 | 02:30 PM
#501
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It’s almost like we are about to start talking scope, and now another thing got tossed into the mix to manage. What a coicindence...
05-19-2021 | 05:12 PM
#502
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So I'm out and about today....not much time to look at every post and email...but what's in it for current Delta pilots? Agreements should to some degree satisfy both sides or all parties.
The flow back at this point is probably not going to be used by any current DL pilot....if flow back is ever used, it would be by those who are about to flow up.
From what I could tell, 9E pilots were not interested in DL pilots flowing down during covid when the compass flow down language appeared to possibly still be in play.
And the 35 large RJs will not be operated by DL mainline pilots at mainline rates, nor will these RJs expand the DL seniority list by 35 x about 10 pilots a piece.
What am I missing?
The flow back at this point is probably not going to be used by any current DL pilot....if flow back is ever used, it would be by those who are about to flow up.
From what I could tell, 9E pilots were not interested in DL pilots flowing down during covid when the compass flow down language appeared to possibly still be in play.
And the 35 large RJs will not be operated by DL mainline pilots at mainline rates, nor will these RJs expand the DL seniority list by 35 x about 10 pilots a piece.
What am I missing?
This whole thing is absurd. Deltas gonna do what delta wants to do, and ALPA is gonna bark about it all day long. Then ultimately an arbitrator is going to side with the company. Orrrr they side with us, and we still get nothing because it’s not economically feasible to pull those 35 jets out of service. I’ve seen this movie before.
05-19-2021 | 05:43 PM
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So I'm out and about today....not much time to look at every post and email...but what's in it for current Delta pilots? Agreements should to some degree satisfy both sides or all parties.
The flow back at this point is probably not going to be used by any current DL pilot....if flow back is ever used, it would be by those who are about to flow up.
From what I could tell, 9E pilots were not interested in DL pilots flowing down during covid when the compass flow down language appeared to possibly still be in play.
And the 35 large RJs will not be operated by DL mainline pilots at mainline rates, nor will these RJs expand the DL seniority list by 35 x about 10 pilots a piece.
What am I missing?
The flow back at this point is probably not going to be used by any current DL pilot....if flow back is ever used, it would be by those who are about to flow up.
From what I could tell, 9E pilots were not interested in DL pilots flowing down during covid when the compass flow down language appeared to possibly still be in play.
And the 35 large RJs will not be operated by DL mainline pilots at mainline rates, nor will these RJs expand the DL seniority list by 35 x about 10 pilots a piece.
What am I missing?
Has nothing to do with what 9E did or didn’t want last year.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
05-19-2021 | 05:51 PM
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I’m all for Endeavor pilots progression, it just shouldn’t be tied to our scope. Our scope can’t be negotiated by three other parties.
05-20-2021 | 02:05 AM
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Since that was how they handled it, the allowed scope was reduced. Then they couldn’t manage to operate within those limits, and now with increased traffic want the old limits back. Those are gone. If they would like to negotiate with our union to amend our contract, I bet DALPA would listen. They don’t though, they just want to violate the contract some more in order to get their way. The Delta Pilots PWA can’t be amended without the Delta Pilots.
I’m all for Endeavor pilots progression, it just shouldn’t be tied to our scope. Our scope can’t be negotiated by three other parties.
I’m all for Endeavor pilots progression, it just shouldn’t be tied to our scope. Our scope can’t be negotiated by three other parties.
05-20-2021 | 04:41 AM
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I get that, I may have misinterpreted what happy was saying last night.
05-20-2021 | 05:11 AM
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05-20-2021 | 06:10 AM
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I sort of wonder about 9E ALPA pushing for flow up, and where were they in DL pilots' moment of need when, some three thousand of us were initially projected to go to the street? (Then ultimately became nearly 2,000).
I just think it's poopy and further illustrates this does nothing for current DL pilots (as far as I can tell).
And-again-I think agreements should not be one sided.
There is no need for me to search my feelings if there is nothing objective gained in this "agreement."
05-20-2021 | 06:18 AM
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I realize what the 9E pilots did or did not want matters not to upper management.
I sort of wonder about 9E ALPA pushing for flow up, and where were they in DL pilots' moment of need when, some three thousand of us were initially projected to go to the street? (Then ultimately became nearly 2,000).
I just think it's poopy and further illustrates this does nothing for current DL pilots (as far as I can tell).
And-again-I think agreements should not be one sided.
There is no need for me to search my feelings if there is nothing objective gained in this "agreement."
I sort of wonder about 9E ALPA pushing for flow up, and where were they in DL pilots' moment of need when, some three thousand of us were initially projected to go to the street? (Then ultimately became nearly 2,000).
I just think it's poopy and further illustrates this does nothing for current DL pilots (as far as I can tell).
And-again-I think agreements should not be one sided.
There is no need for me to search my feelings if there is nothing objective gained in this "agreement."
05-20-2021 | 06:23 AM
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And there was zero chance the ENDV MEC would have entertained a meeting then anyways. It is a one sided deal now that the 10 year black swan is winding down. Where was the flow down when I was about to be without an income? Scope is not for sale or to be negotiated away.
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