35 Large RJs coming back?
05-18-2021 | 02:07 PM
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Then we level off and they fly at 240 kts with the thrust up. When I say, "Hey, let's retract the flaps we so desperately needed," they give me a befuddled look as if it's against the rules.
This is a schoolhouse issue.
05-18-2021 | 02:30 PM
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I fly with guys that ask for Flaps 5 at 240 kts (the placard is 250) to "help get us down."
Then we level off and they fly at 240 kts with the thrust up. When I say, "Hey, let's retract the flaps we so desperately needed," they give me a befuddled look as if it's against the rules.
This is a schoolhouse issue.
Then we level off and they fly at 240 kts with the thrust up. When I say, "Hey, let's retract the flaps we so desperately needed," they give me a befuddled look as if it's against the rules.
This is a schoolhouse issue.
05-18-2021 | 02:34 PM
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From 9E peeps it sounds like Delta has reached an agreement in principle with the EDV MEC and intends to move forward with the flow idea.
What is the next move from DALPA? Grievance/arbitration? It doesn’t seem management has any interest in playing ball with us.
Details of the AIP are 20/month, protected flying quota, and 1.5% annual raises. Endeavor essentially gives nothing (flowback) to gain this. It seems pretty clear that management doesn’t give a crap about the flow, this is a scope grab plain and simple.
To be clear, I’m not against progression for FFD, I was there before. I am, however, against Delta bullying DALPA pilots on scope from both ends.
What is the next move from DALPA? Grievance/arbitration? It doesn’t seem management has any interest in playing ball with us.
Details of the AIP are 20/month, protected flying quota, and 1.5% annual raises. Endeavor essentially gives nothing (flowback) to gain this. It seems pretty clear that management doesn’t give a crap about the flow, this is a scope grab plain and simple.
To be clear, I’m not against progression for FFD, I was there before. I am, however, against Delta bullying DALPA pilots on scope from both ends.
I agree with you on your last point, I’m all for improved career progression for DCI pilots, but not at the expense of SCOPE.
on a separate note, any idea how this will work? Will 9E pilots with double no’s and/or no degree be able to flow? Will they be able to apply outside the flow? Genuinely curious if anyone at EDV has details on this.
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05-18-2021 | 02:42 PM
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wouldn't it HAVE to have a flow down to satisfy LOA9? I mean that LOA does not exist to protect career progression of DCI pilots, it exists to protect flow down rights of mainline pilots.
I agree with you on your last point, I’m all for improved career progression for DCI pilots, but not at the expense of SCOPE.
on a separate note, any idea how this will work? Will 9E pilots with double no’s and/or no degree be able to flow? Will they be able to apply outside the flow? Genuinely curious if anyone at EDV has details on this.
I agree with you on your last point, I’m all for improved career progression for DCI pilots, but not at the expense of SCOPE.
on a separate note, any idea how this will work? Will 9E pilots with double no’s and/or no degree be able to flow? Will they be able to apply outside the flow? Genuinely curious if anyone at EDV has details on this.
05-18-2021 | 02:46 PM
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05-18-2021 | 02:53 PM
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Our email was crystal clear that this all hinges on delta and dalpa reaching an agreement or arbitration.
05-18-2021 | 03:01 PM
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I concede that 90% flow back is a concession. However, given we just passed through a black swan event, when would we realistically see this come into play? It is highly unlikely that it would have a negative effect on the vast majority of 9E pilots who are voting on it.
I don’t wish to get in an argument about the merits of a flow though. I think the agreement in principle is a good deal on its own. If it comes with an exchange of 35 more large RJs though, forget about it.
To me the number one issue is scope and I’m very curious to see DALPA’s next move.
I don’t wish to get in an argument about the merits of a flow though. I think the agreement in principle is a good deal on its own. If it comes with an exchange of 35 more large RJs though, forget about it.
To me the number one issue is scope and I’m very curious to see DALPA’s next move.
05-18-2021 | 03:02 PM
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I fly with guys that ask for Flaps 5 at 240 kts (the placard is 250) to "help get us down."
Then we level off and they fly at 240 kts with the thrust up. When I say, "Hey, let's retract the flaps we so desperately needed," they give me a befuddled look as if it's against the rules.
This is a schoolhouse issue.
Then we level off and they fly at 240 kts with the thrust up. When I say, "Hey, let's retract the flaps we so desperately needed," they give me a befuddled look as if it's against the rules.
This is a schoolhouse issue.
05-18-2021 | 03:06 PM
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ALPA needs to use this as an opportunity to get something better than just a flow back. I mean yeah a flow back is great but I hope they use this to maybe cement some other gains or get the company to resume serious negotiations on the contract.
05-18-2021 | 03:06 PM
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I concede that 90% flow back is a concession. However, given we just passed through a black swan event, when would we realistically see this come into play? It is highly unlikely that it would have a negative effect on the vast majority of 9E pilots who are voting on it.
I don’t wish to get in an argument about the merits of a flow though. I think the agreement in principle is a good deal on its own. If it comes with an exchange of 35 more large RJs though, forget about it.
To me the number one issue is scope and I’m very curious to see DALPA’s next move.
I don’t wish to get in an argument about the merits of a flow though. I think the agreement in principle is a good deal on its own. If it comes with an exchange of 35 more large RJs though, forget about it.
To me the number one issue is scope and I’m very curious to see DALPA’s next move.
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