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Old 05-18-2021, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
no details. Call on the 25th with details.

Our email was crystal clear that this all hinges on delta and dalpa reaching an agreement or arbitration.
thanks for the info
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Originally Posted by crzepilot
ALPA needs to use this as an opportunity to get something better than just a flow back. I mean yeah a flow back is great but I hope they use this to maybe cement some other gains or get the company to resume serious negotiations on the contract.
scope is not for sale.
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Originally Posted by tunes
scope is not for sale.
Everything is for sale at the right price.
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Also they’re going to be locking in a 8yr contract extension. That is a big concession for 9E guys. It’s all a carrot so DAL can activate those 35rjs
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Originally Posted by tunes
scope is not for sale.
lmfao of course it is.
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Originally Posted by tunes
scope is not for sale.
Agree. However I am worried that an arbitrator will see the company’s point. While I agree with and support the union’s interpretation, I can see how an arbitrator would disagree. Bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush, if we are given something extra that just allows them to fly35 planes they were already allowed to fly (pre compass closure) that might be a positive vs taking it to arbitration and losing.

because of this I am very torn, on the one hand I REALLY don’t want to give an inch on scope, on the other if they are going to be allowed to fly those planes anyway, might as well try to get something for them.
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
on a separate note, any idea how this will work? Will 9E pilots with double no’s and/or no degree be able to flow? Will they be able to apply outside the flow? Genuinely curious if anyone at EDV has details on this.
ED’s commitment after the George Floyd murder.


Reimagining our talent strategy.
  • Removing qualification barriers for roles that do not require college degrees, allowing equal consideration for experience or certifications, which are more equitably accessible.

Convenient that Delta has accepted a flow agreement which may shadow ED’s vision of hiring by the time pilots start to be hired.
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ED’s commitment after the George Floyd murder. Reimagining our talent strategy.
  • Removing qualification barriers for roles that do not require college degrees, allowing equal consideration for experience or certifications, which are more equitably accessible.

Convenient that Delta has accepted a flow agreement which may shadow ED’s vision of hiring by the time pilots start to be hired.

WOW I missed that one. While I don’t necessarily have a strong opinion on making a degree mandatory, I figured it would be a cold day in hell before DL dropped their degree requirement. Figured us and FedEx would never give that one up.
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
ED’s commitment after the George Floyd murder.


Reimagining our talent strategy.
  • Removing qualification barriers for roles that do not require college degrees, allowing equal consideration for experience or certifications, which are more equitably accessible.

Convenient that Delta has accepted a flow agreement which may shadow ED’s vision of hiring by the time pilots start to be hired.
oh no, not a pilot without a degree! The horror!
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
Agree. However I am worried that an arbitrator will see the company’s point. While I agree with and support the union’s interpretation, I can see how an arbitrator would disagree. Bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush, if we are given something extra that just allows them to fly35 planes they were already allowed to fly (pre compass closure) that might be a positive vs taking it to arbitration and losing.

because of this I am very torn, on the one hand I REALLY don’t want to give an inch on scope, on the other if they are going to be allowed to fly those planes anyway, might as well try to get something for them.
A flowdown ain't worth ****. It's laughable to spend any negotiating capital on it wrt the RJs. If you tied one 350/330 to those RJs it would mean more than a flowdown that probably won't be used until pilots yet to be born are on the property.
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